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Online helper or bot, what is better
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Author:  Malan [ Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:23 am ]
Post subject:  Online helper or bot, what is better
Need your help, it is necessary to understand which product people would like more:
1. Automatic playing bot - bot will do all actions himself without human intervention.
2. Online real-time helper, that just give advices and player can choose - will he do the action that helper suggests or not.
All thoughts are welcome.
Author:  spears [ Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Online helper or bot, what is better
As always, it depends.

If the bot is totally undetectable and plays to a very high standard then that is very desirable.
A helper has fewer, possibly even zero, features that can be detected, so that is desirable. Maybe some casinos allow helpers but not bots.
Conceivable that a helper could provide info that helps make decision, rather than makes decision.
Author:  BobBob [ Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:26 pm ]
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What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?
Author:  spears [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Online helper or bot, what is better
BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.
Author:  BobBob [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Online helper or bot, what is better
spears wrote:
BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.




Arh, i see^^

Yeah, the playing pattern could give it away. Hadn't thought of that.

Thanks for helping out a newb :D
Author:  jackrabbit [ Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:46 am ]
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spears wrote:
BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.


The consistent playing pattern as a tell is very interesting, do you know of any methods that are used to measure these kinds of things? I've thought quite some about this, but the only thing I can come up with is having stupid bugs that are obviously not human.

I've seen http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/safe-poker-bot-detection-company-1651779/, the pic of behavioural analysis # 1 looks something like this, but I couldn't figure out what it ment.
Author:  spears [ Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Online helper or bot, what is better
jackrabbit wrote:
The consistent playing pattern as a tell is very interesting, do you know of any methods that are used to measure these kinds of things?


- If your opponent plays a very exploitable strategy and you don't adapt then you have a problem.
- Long delays at certain points are a giveaway
Author:  HontoNiBaka [ Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Online helper or bot, what is better
A helper is really only worth it, if you can make a ton of money with it, or if you are a poker pro anyway.
I have a PokerStars SNG advisor, which makes some money, but I don't want to play for hours every day, if I could program some new software, sell it, or just get a normal job.
I also have a few bots on smaller sites, they don't make as much money as I can make on PokerStars, but the fact that I don't have to spend any time after I finished them, makes them more valuable for me.
Author:  playbot1985 [ Thu May 24, 2018 10:45 am ]
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HontoNiBaka wrote:
A helper is really only worth it, if you can make a ton of money with it, or if you are a poker pro anyway.
I have a PokerStars SNG advisor, which makes some money, but I don't want to play for hours every day, if I could program some new software, sell it, or just get a normal job.
I also have a few bots on smaller sites, they don't make as much money as I can make on PokerStars, but the fact that I don't have to spend any time after I finished them, makes them more valuable for me.


could you please help me or give me some info about how i could make an advisor for HU sngs?
Author:  HontoNiBaka [ Fri May 25, 2018 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Online helper or bot, what is better
I use a Nash equilibrium approximation, computed with CFR.
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