Poker-AI.org

Poker AI and Botting Discussion Forum
It is currently Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:20 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

Which product people would like more?
1. Poker bot 67%  67%  [ 6 ]
2. Online poker helper 33%  33%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 9
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:23 am 
Offline
New Member

Joined: Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:44 am
Posts: 1
Need your help, it is necessary to understand which product people would like more:
1. Automatic playing bot - bot will do all actions himself without human intervention.
2. Online real-time helper, that just give advices and player can choose - will he do the action that helper suggests or not.
All thoughts are welcome.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:42 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:39 pm
Posts: 642
As always, it depends.

If the bot is totally undetectable and plays to a very high standard then that is very desirable.
A helper has fewer, possibly even zero, features that can be detected, so that is desirable. Maybe some casinos allow helpers but not bots.
Conceivable that a helper could provide info that helps make decision, rather than makes decision.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:26 pm 
Offline
New Member

Joined: Sun May 28, 2017 8:59 pm
Posts: 3
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:31 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:39 pm
Posts: 642
BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:07 pm 
Offline
New Member

Joined: Sun May 28, 2017 8:59 pm
Posts: 3
spears wrote:
BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.




Arh, i see^^

Yeah, the playing pattern could give it away. Hadn't thought of that.

Thanks for helping out a newb :D


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:46 am 
Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Thu May 11, 2017 8:59 pm
Posts: 13
spears wrote:
BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.


The consistent playing pattern as a tell is very interesting, do you know of any methods that are used to measure these kinds of things? I've thought quite some about this, but the only thing I can come up with is having stupid bugs that are obviously not human.

I've seen http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/safe-poker-bot-detection-company-1651779/, the pic of behavioural analysis # 1 looks something like this, but I couldn't figure out what it ment.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:01 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:39 pm
Posts: 642
jackrabbit wrote:
The consistent playing pattern as a tell is very interesting, do you know of any methods that are used to measure these kinds of things?


- If your opponent plays a very exploitable strategy and you don't adapt then you have a problem.
- Long delays at certain points are a giveaway


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:42 pm 
Offline
Veteran Member

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:43 am
Posts: 267
A helper is really only worth it, if you can make a ton of money with it, or if you are a poker pro anyway.
I have a PokerStars SNG advisor, which makes some money, but I don't want to play for hours every day, if I could program some new software, sell it, or just get a normal job.
I also have a few bots on smaller sites, they don't make as much money as I can make on PokerStars, but the fact that I don't have to spend any time after I finished them, makes them more valuable for me.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:45 am 
Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:06 am
Posts: 12
HontoNiBaka wrote:
A helper is really only worth it, if you can make a ton of money with it, or if you are a poker pro anyway.
I have a PokerStars SNG advisor, which makes some money, but I don't want to play for hours every day, if I could program some new software, sell it, or just get a normal job.
I also have a few bots on smaller sites, they don't make as much money as I can make on PokerStars, but the fact that I don't have to spend any time after I finished them, makes them more valuable for me.


could you please help me or give me some info about how i could make an advisor for HU sngs?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:00 pm 
Offline
Veteran Member

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:43 am
Posts: 267
I use a Nash equilibrium approximation, computed with CFR.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group