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Author: | cantina [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:40 am ] |
Post subject: | HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Just for the hell of it, I'm crunching a large 6BB HUNL NE strategy with an unabstracted flop and 400k buckets on the turn/river. Interestingly, it doesn't always push/fold from the button. So far, it calls with about the top 18% of hands and folds with the bottom 25% of hands, the rest it pushes. |
Author: | jm89_1 [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Hi, Very interesting. What are the strategy on flop though? It seems to me that calling only top range will give lots of information to Big Blind. Big Blind doesn't hit very often and because he knows button only limps top range, it doesn't seem like Button gets paid more from limping vs push. I might be wrong though, that's why it's interesting to see what button does on the flop and what big blind needs to hit to continue playing. |
Author: | cantina [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
After about 1.6b iterations the button call range is down to about 13% and falling. You make a good point about giving away information. That 13% may be mixed between calling and pushing. I'm just looking at the average strategy from the button. It calls with AA 97% of the time and pushes the rest. I'll have to wait until it's finished to look at the flop. |
Author: | somehomelessguy [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
obviously it doesn't limp the top 18% range. it probably limps hands which doesn't get outflopped very often (TT+) and hands which would be a fold in a push/fold equilibrium. the strong hands harbors (very scientific term) the weak hands to make them playable. ATo+ for example is most definitely a push, and if i'm wrong i'm quitting poker. |
Author: | PolarBear [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Quote: ATo+ for example is most definitely a push, and if i'm wrong i'm quitting poker. Strong statements can make for great entertainment <grabs_popcorn> |
Author: | cantina [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
S:\CFR_NL_6_XYZMHQPD\_cs.bin Code: Hand Fold Call Min 2BB 3BB 4BB All-In
As Ah 0.0000 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Ks Kh 0.0000 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Qs Qh 0.0000 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Js Jh 0.0000 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Ts Th 0.0000 0.9787 0.0000 0.0109 0.0104 0.0000 0.0000 9s 9h 0.0000 0.9558 0.0000 0.0221 0.0119 0.0103 0.0000 8s 8h 0.0000 0.8456 0.0709 0.0541 0.0161 0.0133 0.0000 7s 7h 0.0000 0.5605 0.2899 0.1047 0.0248 0.0201 0.0000 6s 6h 0.0000 0.2192 0.2631 0.1093 0.0307 0.0245 0.3531 5s 5h 0.0000 0.0485 0.0505 0.0301 0.0139 0.0123 0.8447 4s 4h 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 3s 3h 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 2s 2h 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 As Ks 0.0000 0.0000 0.0124 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9876 As Kh 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 As Qs 0.0000 0.0000 0.0265 0.0142 0.0000 0.0000 0.9593 As Qh 0.0000 0.0000 0.0185 0.0141 0.0000 0.0000 0.9674 As Js 0.0000 0.0000 0.0151 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9849 As Jh 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0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 Qs 4s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 Qs 4h 0.0000 0.0102 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9898 Qs 3s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 Qs 3h 0.0000 0.0343 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9657 Qs 2s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 Qs 2h 0.0000 0.2145 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.7855 Js Ts 0.0000 0.3178 0.1772 0.0395 0.0147 0.0125 0.4382 Js Th 0.0000 0.0444 0.0280 0.0104 0.0000 0.0000 0.9172 Js 9s 0.0000 0.0881 0.0788 0.0261 0.0117 0.0101 0.7852 Js 9h 0.0000 0.0287 0.0154 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9559 Js 8s 0.0000 0.0370 0.0126 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9504 Js 8h 0.0000 0.0167 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9833 Js 7s 0.0000 0.1071 0.0592 0.0105 0.0000 0.0000 0.8232 Js 7h 0.0000 0.0152 0.0139 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9709 Js 6s 0.0000 0.0147 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9853 Js 6h 0.0000 0.0922 0.0133 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.8944 Js 5s 0.0000 0.0102 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9898 Js 5h 0.0000 0.8606 0.0414 0.0579 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0.0000 0.0000 Ts 3s 0.0000 0.7525 0.0750 0.0479 0.0167 0.0138 0.0942 Ts 3h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Ts 2s 0.0000 0.8593 0.0151 0.0382 0.0158 0.0132 0.0585 Ts 2h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 8s 0.0000 0.3242 0.0550 0.0158 0.0000 0.0000 0.6050 9s 8h 0.0000 0.0437 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9563 9s 7s 0.0000 0.0624 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9376 9s 7h 0.0000 0.3091 0.0373 0.0150 0.0000 0.0000 0.6386 9s 6s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 9s 6h 0.7920 0.2080 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 5s 0.0000 0.0469 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9531 9s 5h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 4s 0.0527 0.8384 0.0338 0.0443 0.0168 0.0140 0.0000 9s 4h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 3s 0.0962 0.8316 0.0140 0.0333 0.0137 0.0112 0.0000 9s 3h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 2s 0.2631 0.7197 0.0000 0.0172 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 2h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 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3s 0.8119 0.1881 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 3h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 2s 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 2h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 5s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0151 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9849 6s 5h 0.9417 0.0583 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 4s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0174 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9826 6s 4h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 3s 0.9251 0.0749 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 3h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 2s 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 2h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 5s 4s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0189 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.9811 5s 4h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 5s 3s 0.0000 0.5629 0.1442 0.0318 0.0000 0.0000 0.2612 5s 3h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 5s 2s 0.9425 0.0575 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 5s 2h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 4s 3s 0.3057 0.5805 0.0714 0.0322 0.0102 0.0000 0.0000 4s 3h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 4s 2s 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 4s 2h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 3s 2s 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 3s 2h 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Fold Call Min 2BB 3BB 4BB All-In 0.2257 0.1289 0.0236 0.0122 0.0045 0.0039 0.6011 |
Author: | cantina [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
S:\CFR_NL_6_XYZMHQPD\c\c_cs.bin Code: Hand Check Min 2BB 3BB 4BB All-In
As Ah 0.6993 0.3007 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Ks Kh 0.7399 0.2601 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Qs Qh 0.8686 0.1314 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Js Jh 0.5685 0.4315 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Ts Th 0.0360 0.9640 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 9h 0.0000 0.9866 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0134 8s 8h 0.0000 0.9391 0.0451 0.0000 0.0000 0.0158 7s 7h 0.3313 0.6134 0.0188 0.0000 0.0000 0.0365 6s 6h 0.6247 0.2578 0.0251 0.0000 0.0000 0.0925 5s 5h 0.4777 0.3254 0.0349 0.0000 0.0000 0.1619 4s 4h 0.5879 0.1293 0.0192 0.0129 0.0139 0.2369 3s 3h 0.4953 0.0000 0.0174 0.0280 0.0322 0.4271 2s 2h 0.2723 0.0000 0.0000 0.0221 0.0185 0.6871 As Ks 0.1087 0.5053 0.0694 0.0423 0.0302 0.2440 As Kh 0.0256 0.0606 0.2176 0.0884 0.0786 0.5293 As Qs 0.0694 0.5302 0.2614 0.0423 0.0421 0.0545 As Qh 0.0283 0.0947 0.3383 0.1204 0.1114 0.3068 As Js 0.3084 0.6127 0.0420 0.0000 0.0000 0.0369 As Jh 0.1867 0.2482 0.0381 0.0386 0.0328 0.4555 As Ts 0.0591 0.5516 0.2612 0.0366 0.0341 0.0574 As Th 0.0135 0.1117 0.5349 0.1069 0.1124 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0.0126 0.0420 Ks Th 0.1221 0.2529 0.2782 0.0786 0.0848 0.1834 Ks 9s 0.1229 0.5430 0.1658 0.0378 0.0537 0.0768 Ks 9h 0.0133 0.0881 0.2699 0.1023 0.0731 0.4532 Ks 8s 0.0386 0.1286 0.3962 0.1187 0.1058 0.2123 Ks 8h 0.0157 0.0231 0.1116 0.0279 0.0346 0.7872 Ks 7s 0.1725 0.2513 0.3395 0.0938 0.0808 0.0621 Ks 7h 0.0521 0.0560 0.3207 0.0916 0.0949 0.3847 Ks 6s 0.7607 0.1018 0.0560 0.0143 0.0185 0.0487 Ks 6h 0.3820 0.0138 0.0179 0.0303 0.0200 0.5360 Ks 5s 0.4860 0.1312 0.0311 0.0355 0.0182 0.2981 Ks 5h 0.1652 0.0000 0.0191 0.0218 0.0182 0.7756 Ks 4s 0.4639 0.0297 0.0442 0.0329 0.0274 0.4019 Ks 4h 0.2041 0.0000 0.0173 0.0271 0.0152 0.7364 Ks 3s 0.1410 0.0000 0.0380 0.0331 0.0185 0.7693 Ks 3h 0.0335 0.0000 0.0343 0.0323 0.0171 0.8827 Ks 2s 0.0000 0.0000 0.0237 0.0348 0.0259 0.9155 Ks 2h 0.0110 0.0000 0.0000 0.0123 0.0161 0.9606 Qs Js 0.4168 0.5515 0.0154 0.0000 0.0000 0.0163 Qs Jh 0.5308 0.4264 0.0300 0.0000 0.0000 0.0127 Qs Ts 0.3666 0.5908 0.0258 0.0000 0.0000 0.0168 Qs Th 0.4169 0.4377 0.0948 0.0183 0.0161 0.0163 Qs 9s 0.3329 0.6020 0.0355 0.0000 0.0000 0.0295 Qs 9h 0.2106 0.3399 0.0870 0.0466 0.0338 0.2822 Qs 8s 0.3672 0.3664 0.1168 0.0357 0.0188 0.0951 Qs 8h 0.0877 0.0595 0.1064 0.0544 0.0320 0.6600 Qs 7s 0.4380 0.2712 0.2062 0.0343 0.0290 0.0214 Qs 7h 0.1398 0.0596 0.2365 0.0971 0.0671 0.4000 Qs 6s 0.8063 0.1149 0.0345 0.0000 0.0202 0.0240 Qs 6h 0.6389 0.0122 0.0243 0.0367 0.0190 0.2689 Qs 5s 0.5637 0.1234 0.0336 0.0231 0.0142 0.2419 Qs 5h 0.3850 0.0000 0.0171 0.0273 0.0176 0.5529 Qs 4s 0.6041 0.0461 0.0436 0.0369 0.0203 0.2489 Qs 4h 0.4918 0.0000 0.0152 0.0219 0.0157 0.4554 Qs 3s 0.3891 0.0000 0.0270 0.0281 0.0113 0.5445 Qs 3h 0.3433 0.0000 0.0000 0.0194 0.0153 0.6220 Qs 2s 0.2098 0.0000 0.0000 0.0182 0.0238 0.7482 Qs 2h 0.1825 0.0000 0.0000 0.0126 0.0105 0.7944 Js Ts 0.6338 0.3355 0.0112 0.0000 0.0000 0.0195 Js Th 0.7783 0.1966 0.0109 0.0000 0.0000 0.0142 Js 9s 0.5643 0.4035 0.0158 0.0000 0.0000 0.0165 Js 9h 0.7190 0.2515 0.0174 0.0000 0.0000 0.0121 Js 8s 0.6315 0.3159 0.0367 0.0000 0.0000 0.0159 Js 8h 0.7178 0.1316 0.0707 0.0283 0.0209 0.0306 Js 7s 0.6257 0.2801 0.0694 0.0116 0.0131 0.0000 Js 7h 0.6776 0.1082 0.1356 0.0364 0.0422 0.0000 Js 6s 0.9169 0.0000 0.0386 0.0000 0.0106 0.0339 Js 6h 0.9659 0.0221 0.0120 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Js 5s 0.5520 0.0000 0.0328 0.0198 0.0162 0.3792 Js 5h 0.5564 0.0329 0.0000 0.0147 0.0157 0.3803 Js 4s 0.4901 0.0000 0.0415 0.0282 0.0202 0.4199 Js 4h 0.6936 0.0372 0.0106 0.0107 0.0136 0.2344 Js 3s 0.4295 0.0000 0.0181 0.0229 0.0000 0.5295 Js 3h 0.7580 0.0292 0.0102 0.0000 0.0118 0.1908 Js 2s 0.2673 0.0000 0.0000 0.0281 0.0106 0.6941 Js 2h 0.5418 0.0449 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.4133 Ts 9s 0.4404 0.4100 0.0769 0.0119 0.0103 0.0506 Ts 9h 0.5741 0.2248 0.0464 0.0174 0.0190 0.1183 Ts 8s 0.5691 0.3010 0.0719 0.0165 0.0135 0.0279 Ts 8h 0.6658 0.0918 0.0168 0.0143 0.0000 0.2113 Ts 7s 0.6613 0.2301 0.0351 0.0000 0.0000 0.0734 Ts 7h 0.8376 0.1113 0.0301 0.0105 0.0105 0.0000 Ts 6s 0.7190 0.0000 0.0794 0.0217 0.0193 0.1608 Ts 6h 0.9550 0.0289 0.0162 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Ts 5s 0.3366 0.0632 0.0162 0.0113 0.0000 0.5728 Ts 5h 0.7649 0.0359 0.0485 0.0295 0.0305 0.0907 Ts 4s 0.3530 0.0000 0.0155 0.0175 0.0000 0.6140 Ts 4h 0.8797 0.1053 0.0150 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Ts 3s 0.3235 0.0000 0.0143 0.0200 0.0000 0.6422 Ts 3h 0.9092 0.0342 0.0310 0.0128 0.0128 0.0000 Ts 2s 0.2396 0.0105 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.7499 Ts 2h 0.8855 0.0772 0.0114 0.0138 0.0121 0.0000 9s 8s 0.6626 0.2719 0.0265 0.0000 0.0000 0.0390 9s 8h 0.8664 0.1073 0.0143 0.0000 0.0000 0.0120 9s 7s 0.8114 0.1117 0.0241 0.0000 0.0000 0.0528 9s 7h 0.9334 0.0666 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 6s 0.7866 0.0000 0.0801 0.0217 0.0404 0.0711 9s 6h 0.8382 0.1618 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 5s 0.5456 0.0000 0.0216 0.0181 0.0114 0.4034 9s 5h 0.8390 0.1610 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 4s 0.8950 0.0380 0.0157 0.0161 0.0190 0.0161 9s 4h 0.8470 0.1416 0.0114 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 3s 0.7154 0.1096 0.0197 0.0383 0.0259 0.0911 9s 3h 0.9593 0.0175 0.0233 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 9s 2s 0.6366 0.0000 0.0000 0.0456 0.0333 0.2845 9s 2h 0.8973 0.0154 0.0588 0.0142 0.0144 0.0000 8s 7s 0.8085 0.0120 0.0460 0.0363 0.0158 0.0815 8s 7h 0.9379 0.0621 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 8s 6s 0.7103 0.2394 0.0174 0.0000 0.0000 0.0329 8s 6h 0.9226 0.0774 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 8s 5s 0.7214 0.0668 0.0180 0.0309 0.0235 0.1394 8s 5h 0.9090 0.0910 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 8s 4s 0.8108 0.0907 0.0171 0.0394 0.0267 0.0153 8s 4h 0.7950 0.0407 0.1288 0.0170 0.0184 0.0000 8s 3s 0.8519 0.1481 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 8s 3h 0.7187 0.0151 0.2295 0.0168 0.0199 0.0000 8s 2s 0.8592 0.1145 0.0000 0.0160 0.0103 0.0000 8s 2h 0.7988 0.0143 0.1505 0.0180 0.0185 0.0000 7s 6s 0.8247 0.1185 0.0146 0.0000 0.0000 0.0421 7s 6h 0.8653 0.1347 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 5s 0.8153 0.0898 0.0121 0.0238 0.0374 0.0216 7s 5h 0.8585 0.1415 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 4s 0.8489 0.1114 0.0000 0.0141 0.0119 0.0137 7s 4h 0.8727 0.1063 0.0209 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 3s 0.9038 0.0962 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 3h 0.8341 0.0680 0.0979 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 2s 0.9536 0.0258 0.0206 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 7s 2h 0.8203 0.0140 0.1298 0.0359 0.0000 0.0000 6s 5s 0.8605 0.0863 0.0000 0.0142 0.0113 0.0278 6s 5h 0.9110 0.0890 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 4s 0.7687 0.2109 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0203 6s 4h 0.9526 0.0474 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 3s 0.9614 0.0274 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0113 6s 3h 0.9672 0.0201 0.0127 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 2s 0.8960 0.1040 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 6s 2h 0.9584 0.0263 0.0153 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 5s 4s 0.7465 0.0467 0.0000 0.0209 0.0000 0.1860 5s 4h 0.9114 0.0886 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 5s 3s 0.7345 0.1944 0.0000 0.0295 0.0169 0.0247 5s 3h 0.8436 0.1564 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 5s 2s 0.9693 0.0147 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0160 5s 2h 0.9696 0.0188 0.0116 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 4s 3s 0.9191 0.0523 0.0000 0.0110 0.0000 0.0176 4s 3h 0.9410 0.0476 0.0114 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 4s 2s 0.9698 0.0182 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0120 4s 2h 0.9697 0.0173 0.0130 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 3s 2s 0.9224 0.0334 0.0000 0.0114 0.0186 0.0142 3s 2h 0.9538 0.0164 0.0298 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 Check Min 2BB 3BB 4BB All-In 0.5337 0.1509 0.0695 0.0260 0.0226 0.1973 |
Author: | cantina [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
This beats my existing push/fold player by about 8bb/100. |
Author: | HontoNiBaka [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Nasher wrote: This beats my existing push/fold player by about 8bb/100. Thats pretty sick. It also means, that the average human reg is pretty exploitable. |
Author: | cantina [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
I don't know about that. My push/fold player doesn't know how to handle button calls. From the BB it assumes any action is a push and either pushes itself according to it's calling range, or folds. |
Author: | proud2bBot [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
hey nasher, looks like you bought a little bit of more RAM I understand limping big hands to be able to play more crap hands that otherwise would have been folded. However, I wonder if the use of different opening sizes is due to non-convergence. For instance, a 4bb open doesn't make sense as we are commited even when knowing villain only reshoves aces. I'd imagine that an unabstracted nash strategy should only call, shove and maybe minraise (this might be dominated too, but not raise any bigger)?!? Furthermore, the 8bb/100 difference is huge for such a small game. Does the base strategy know how to handle limps? Here (http://www.daimi.au.dk/~bromille/Papers/aamaspoker.pdf) the authors did compute a similar game and report a minimal difference between PoF and unabstracted game. Maybe one can test it without the issue of not adequatly handling limps this way: case 1: your old strategy is always in the SB and PoF, your old strategy is always in the BB. case 2: your new strategy is always in the SB and PoF, your old strategy is always in the BB. Then one can compare the EV from the SB between old and new strategy. |
Author: | cantina [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
As per my previous post, my push/fold player doesn't handle limps properly. The larger raises may be due to incomplete convergence. Or, maybe not. It is what it is. I make no claims as to the "correctness" of it. 8bb/100 was after about 30k hands -- it might decrease with more samples, although I don't think by much. |
Author: | proud2bBot [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Which CFRM style did you use for the calculation? And one other question: did you try to evaluate the performance after learning 1,2,3,... hours to a strategy that uses a large abstraction (i.e., not unabstracted)? I wonder if having an unabstracted street is nice in theory, but not actually great in practice as the variance of the strategy finding increases a lot and hence we need way more time for convergence. So it might be possible that if we have a fixed time to learn - say we train the algorithm for 2 days - the unabstracted may perform worse than the abstracted one as the latter is converged more (just a theory, not sure if it holds true...). |
Author: | cantina [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Empirically, you are correct, I do see smaller strategies performing better when convergence time is a constraint. I don't care enough about this experiment to worry about it, though. I'll converge it further, later, and post back the details. I'll probably need at least 100b iterations. |
Author: | trojanrabbit [ Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
This is something I've studied quite a bit. I can tell you it matters a great deal on your post-flop assumptions when it's not all in. See my discussion of this in The Raiser's Edge. Also the EVs you should be comparing are the button's EV in the complex game to the button's EV in the push/fold game. That gives you the value of the extra options. Tysen |
Author: | jm89_1 [ Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Hi Tysen. When you calculated your strategy, described in The Raiser's Edge, did you use static strategy on postflop? I can't fully understand your statement "it matters a great deal on your post-flop assumption" as Nasher is calculating strategy which is not independent preflop/postflop. What I understand is that the strategy nasher is getting is something like "AKs call 80% push 20%, then on flop if you hit Q56ss then check 20% raise 80%, on flop A44 check 100% raise 0%, ..." |
Author: | algonoob [ Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
you posted 2 charts, how many iterations did you do for each one? |
Author: | cantina [ Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
One is from the button. The other is after the button calls. Maybe about 4b iterations. |
Author: | cantina [ Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
Nasher wrote: This beats my existing push/fold player by about 8bb/100. I should note, this was with a 15% minimum threshold on those probabilities. Anything below 0.15 was zeroed out and the action distribution re-normalized. |
Author: | nemesis17 [ Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HUNL 6BB Strategy |
If I understood correctly the second chart is the BB strategy after the SB limps? Do you think the strategies change much up to 8bb? In both charts what is the difference between "Min" and "2BB"? |
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