proud2bBot wrote:
Most of your assumptions are wrong:
1. There is an equilibrium (at least w/o considering rake) - its proven, the question is "only" how to find it or a near-optimal solution
Yes, but that search is a very theoretical question at this point, and I just don't see the benefit of it applied in practice.
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2. Yes, exploiting can make you more $$$ but opens yourself up to exploitation - thats the beauty of GTO solutions
I can see that benefit, but I don't think players on the limit where you usually run bots are on a level anywhere near where they adjust well enough to merit the use. Next to the fact that you probably won't find a real GTO, you will thus miss out on many many opportunities to increase your EV.
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3. Assuming that very good players don't have a preflop semi-bluff 3b range is just wrong. Why do we bluff with hands like 97s instead of 72o - because of the equity when being called...
I didn't say they don't have a semi-bluff range, I said that in their reasoning, a semi-bluff is exactly the same as a bluff. When you determine your bluff range, you look at all the cards you can't raise for value and you can't call, and then you take the top percentage up to how much you want to bluff in that spot, depending on two factors: card removal effect and implied odds / playibility. This means that good and semi-good draws will almost always go into the bluff range as semi-bluffs, but they are NOT a theoretically separate consideration.
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4. Thin value bets are just value bets, but when you called you will lose the pot more often than after a regular v-bet (but you are still good 50+% against his calling range, otherwise its not a value bet).
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5. GTO finding algorithms automatically create solutions that aren't imbalanced, i.e., they raise in the right proportion with hands that can continue and those who cant
6. GTO bots can win because people make mistakes. Even though you dont exploit them to the max, their mistakes are your value. The Limit bot that beat a lot of pro limit player was GTO btw...
This is probably true, but Limit is a completely different game - it's close to being completely solved in the game theoretical domain, while No Limit is still very far away from that. Considering rake, the perfect GTO strategy would be actually losing money at a very high rate.
GTO might be a good consideration in some spots, where you want to avoid making big mistakes, but in almost all standard spots, I am convinced that an exploitive strategy serves the goal of making profit better.