Poker-AI.org Poker AI and Botting Discussion Forum 2018-05-25T15:00:05+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/feed.php?f=22&t=3056 2018-05-25T15:00:05+00:00 2018-05-25T15:00:05+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7637#p7637 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]> Statistics: Posted by HontoNiBaka — Fri May 25, 2018 3:00 pm

]]> 2018-05-24T10:45:31+00:00 2018-05-24T10:45:31+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7636#p7636 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]> HontoNiBaka wrote:

A helper is really only worth it, if you can make a ton of money with it, or if you are a poker pro anyway.
I have a PokerStars SNG advisor, which makes some money, but I don't want to play for hours every day, if I could program some new software, sell it, or just get a normal job.
I also have a few bots on smaller sites, they don't make as much money as I can make on PokerStars, but the fact that I don't have to spend any time after I finished them, makes them more valuable for me.


could you please help me or give me some info about how i could make an advisor for HU sngs?

Statistics: Posted by playbot1985 — Thu May 24, 2018 10:45 am

]]> 2018-01-25T20:42:13+00:00 2018-01-25T20:42:13+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7531#p7531 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]> I have a PokerStars SNG advisor, which makes some money, but I don't want to play for hours every day, if I could program some new software, sell it, or just get a normal job.
I also have a few bots on smaller sites, they don't make as much money as I can make on PokerStars, but the fact that I don't have to spend any time after I finished them, makes them more valuable for me.

Statistics: Posted by HontoNiBaka — Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:42 pm

]]> 2017-06-06T15:01:20+00:00 2017-06-06T15:01:20+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7261#p7261 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]> jackrabbit wrote:

The consistent playing pattern as a tell is very interesting, do you know of any methods that are used to measure these kinds of things?


- If your opponent plays a very exploitable strategy and you don't adapt then you have a problem.
- Long delays at certain points are a giveaway

Statistics: Posted by spears — Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:01 pm

]]> 2017-06-06T11:46:54+00:00 2017-06-06T11:46:54+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7259#p7259 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]> spears wrote:

BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.


The consistent playing pattern as a tell is very interesting, do you know of any methods that are used to measure these kinds of things? I've thought quite some about this, but the only thing I can come up with is having stupid bugs that are obviously not human.

I've seen http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/safe-poker-bot-detection-company-1651779/, the pic of behavioural analysis # 1 looks something like this, but I couldn't figure out what it ment.

Statistics: Posted by jackrabbit — Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:46 am

]]> 2017-06-04T21:07:21+00:00 2017-06-04T21:07:21+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7258#p7258 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]> spears wrote:

BobBob wrote:
What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.




Arh, i see^^

Yeah, the playing pattern could give it away. Hadn't thought of that.

Thanks for helping out a newb :D

Statistics: Posted by BobBob — Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:07 pm

]]> 2017-06-04T20:31:16+00:00 2017-06-04T20:31:16+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7257#p7257 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]> BobBob wrote:

What if the helper is run on the same machine,

is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?


If the helper is run on the same machine then it is detectable. Its UI makes it detectable. Bot's control of mouse/keyboard makes that detectable.
Tesseract is detectable. Unique is hard but not impossible to detect. People with very consistent playing patterns have been known to be accused of botting.

Statistics: Posted by spears — Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:31 pm

]]> 2017-06-02T17:26:50+00:00 2017-06-02T17:26:50+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7253#p7253 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]>
is stuff like tesseract, and unique AI models detectable?

Statistics: Posted by BobBob — Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:26 pm

]]> 2017-06-02T09:42:38+00:00 2017-06-02T09:42:38+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7251#p7251 <![CDATA[Re: Online helper or bot, what is better]]>
If the bot is totally undetectable and plays to a very high standard then that is very desirable.
A helper has fewer, possibly even zero, features that can be detected, so that is desirable. Maybe some casinos allow helpers but not bots.
Conceivable that a helper could provide info that helps make decision, rather than makes decision.

Statistics: Posted by spears — Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:42 am

]]> 2017-06-02T08:23:14+00:00 2017-06-02T08:23:14+00:00 http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3056&p=7250#p7250 <![CDATA[Online helper or bot, what is better]]> 1.Automatic playing bot - bot will do all actions himself without human intervention.
2.Online real-time helper, that just give advices and player can choose - will he do the action that helper suggests or not.
All thoughts are welcome.

Statistics: Posted by Malan — Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:23 am

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