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An exact solution might be many years away, but good approximate solutions already exist and they are getting even better.
That and what spears said about faster computers then I guess its not that far away. I better get cracking on my PLO bot if NL is about over...
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You can still find a solution with techniques like bucketing, even though you have to treat a few hands in the same bucket the same way, it will usually be still more accurate, than what humans do.
Very few players use more than very general categories. TPTK, TPGK, MP, strong draw, weak draw, then a few boards. They might use more stuff, stats, history, board patterns, but it's usually by feel, a human will never have the mathematical precision a computer has.
Well the bot can without a doubt play better then a human in many many areas which is why all of us are working on it I guess. I think the non tilt factor and the ability to play unlimited tables without error are the big ones for me.
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On the topic of slowplaying: Yes, it's important and it's good you do it, but I was talking about your assumptions of your opponents. You said, that you can determine, that your opponent is weak on the river, but how can you be sure? He might still be slowplaying. Of course, if he is very bad, you can just assume he will always play the same way, but many players won't.
If he does slowplay, your strategy of making a big bet on the river will be exploited, because he will pick you off with his monsters.
Oh right..I totally missed what you where saying. Well as with anything in poker you can never really be sure about anything so it has to be an educated guess. Ok..about the big bet on the river. I also have it making the big bet against his entire range when I have value as well so its somewhat polarized but not totally. Some value will be lost by not making the perfect betsize vs his range but I think it evens out over time. Polarizing the river has some issues but I think it overcomes some of the ranging errors that can occur when the villain is slowplaying. I have thought about weighting the possible value range when he calls down to the river versus totally eliminating those hands from his range. It is definitely a problem area. Like I think the villain would be more likely to slowplay on a dry board so perhaps I could weight those hands as 25% likely in those spots or something. On a wetboard I think most players will try to protect the hand but not always. I have my bot employing a probe bet in some of those situations in order to get a better read on his range.
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That's just one example, I think a strategy, that is not based on GTO will never be extremelly strong. I am not saying to play GTO, but have it as a core and adapt from there. You will most likelly get better adaptations with a good algorithm, than with rules.
Well I am sure you are right about that. I mean you cant beat GTO.
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I have been playing FL and NL for years, but a good bot still owns me and when I am exploiting opponents, my reads are sometimes extremelly inacurate. I don't even do this botting, because I want to make some change on micros, I believe, that I can build a bot, that is way better than me.
Hand reading is not easy but I am getting better at it. When the villain is leading the betting its way easier then if he is not obviously just because of the slowplaying factor. But yeah..I dont think I can play better then my bot either which is why am doing it tooStatistics: Posted by shalako — Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:13 pm
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