bertramd wrote:
I was interested in an RTA but then checked out your website and was disappointed to see that the only results you show are two low sample graphs where rake is not included. After including the high GG rake they are breakeven graphs.
If these two low sample graphs are so good that you include them first thing on your website, that proves your RTA is not working. You're basically saying if I pay you every month and risk my account and my funds by using your RTA, I will be breaking even. If that isn't a scam then what is.
I guess the reason you show these two graphs is because you have no actual customers that win and/or stay for a long time. You almost got me but I am glad that I visited your website.
Thanks for taking the time to register a brand new account to shed light on our "scam".
I'll still answer your concerns directly. First and foremost we purposefully never advertised anything related to profit and/or winnings. We even have an answer in the FAQ section specifically for people like you that don't understand what we're offering, I'll just copy/paste it below:
Q: I'm a new poker player, I struggle to beat NL2 online, will I get rich quick and beat everyone if I use the RTA?- No. A RTA won't make everyone a winning player, regardless of how good the solves are. It is a very strong tool, which if used in the right hands, can lead to substantially more income, but it's not magic.
Everyone knows GG has high rake (including you it seems, since you said it yourself). There are a number of threads on poker forums (won't link but google is your friend) that show trough datamining websites that GG is (compared to other networks) not beatable for midstakes+ (excluding nosebleeds we guess as rake does go to under 1 bb/100 at some point) before rakeback/leaderboards/other promos. The vast majority of top volume grinders consistently lose prior to additional benefits (again, rakeback/leaderboards etc.). This of course doesn't mean that GG is not profitable to play. "Breaking even" at 200 r&c easily means close to $6-$8k EV/month for a dedicated grinder (depending on how much you manage to optimize leaderboard income, 100-120k hands/month).
About the graphs... We (and everyone else sellings RTAs/courses or wahtever) can easily fake the best graphs in the world if we were looking to scam someone (which considering the mediocre graphs we're showing kind of speaks volumes contrary to the "fact" that we're trying to scam someone don't you think?
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). These particular graphs probably won't ever be updated/improved as they were from our internal tests, quite a while ago at that (we just needed something to fill the space on the website, and they happened to stay there, for now at least). We're just the type of people/team that likes to underpromise but overdeliver. We would also never ask a user to send us his pretty graphs so we can upload for others to see, this goes against everything we're trying to build/achieve (has implications on security at the minimum). Also, we fully understand that none of our customers have any interest to advertise our product (this means more RTA regs on their tables, hence less EV) so we won't ask our clients to come here and spam (this is our job (lol)) how successful they are with our product, you won't see that here. Just as a general advice though probably don't go buying stuff just because someone is showing pretty graphs, try their product (we do have a free trial!), understand what it's doing and if you enjoy it and see potential EV, try it for a full month, if you don't see/understand where this might be of assistance, just skip it and buy that course from this coach that won 400k in 35k hands (with graph proof of course!)
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nbiresev wrote:
Yes i agree having human doing the play using RTA is what overcomes those issues with replacing design of table. As the user is not using any bot, but rather just additional software as hint. The only way to detect user using RTA i think would be to compare
each play with what solver would play in such spot and conclude how often the strategy deviates from solver suggestions.
Yeah, there is pretty much nothing that can be done about this. Every RTA/BOT or even a guy randomly opening GTOwizard/PioSolver on the side will have this potential vecotr to worry about. Heck even super good regs that's trying to mimic GTO plays (and does so succesfully at some decent frequency) will have this particular issue.