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Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-11-19T16:27:39+00:00

nefton wrote:

- I got 2000$/month work hard on a plant
- I got 2000$/month renting my grantmother's house

why not grow the plant (weed I assume?) in one room of grandmother's house and rent other rooms to hookers. Then sell the weed to hookers and their customers.. Synergy!

Statistics: Posted by jm89_1 — Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:27 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-11-19T07:06:05+00:00

what measure of gain? $?
If your grandson come to you and ask - whad are you doing when be young?
- I got 2000$/month work hard on a plant
- I got 2000$/month renting my grantmother's house
- I got 2000$/month by writing poker bot and create handreds of accounts in all poker rums in a world.
people are still learning the theory of games on my articles

Statistics: Posted by nefton — Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:06 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-08-23T20:29:46+00:00

Party and Paradise was the rage about 10 years ago. I spent two years on a 10 player FL AI that I made a living off of for a few years from 2003-06 then FL slowly died off (plus the US ban didnt help matters). All that work for nothing. I dunno what happened to Party as either they had a good thing going. They where one of the first to ban US players which probably aided in their demise.

Statistics: Posted by shalako — Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:29 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-08-22T18:39:11+00:00

party is totally crazy. They made so many horrible decisions this year. It seems that they really want to crush theyr poker room

Statistics: Posted by winnie — Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:39 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-08-22T18:04:07+00:00

I actually had a very decent hourly on PartyPoker with FL HU only about 1-2 years ago. Lots of 1/2 and 2/4 4-tabling against weak opponents and soemtimes I could have had even more tables, so my numbers werent imaginary.

But traffic really died, after the playerpool separation in NL (some NL fishes also played FL HU) rakeback reduction, cashout fees...
They realy kille the site for regulars.

Statistics: Posted by HontoNiBaka — Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:04 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-14T08:10:07+00:00

yeah and it seems that rakeback is dying as well

Statistics: Posted by winnie — Tue May 14, 2013 8:10 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-14T05:29:18+00:00

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You can math up some great numbers but in reality it's really hard to get that kind of traffic in, especially in "easy" to solve games since those are basically all dried up, FL in general e.g. and SNGs are going down that trend as well. I guess traffic is still really good on SNGs but it's really hard to get an edge. I guess a break-even bot with a decent rakeback deal is gonna make good money too though. I wasn't really considering rakeback in my calculation earlier but you can just factor it into the winrate and be done with it.

Statistics: Posted by Coffee4tw — Tue May 14, 2013 5:29 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-12T11:39:23+00:00

HontoNiBaka wrote:

Are you familiar with the realities of fixed limit heads up games? I'm not, but a quick glance into poker stars lobby showed that, for those stakes, there's literally one game going on at the moment, while there are another 20-30 regs waiting for fishes (it's still an early hour at the moment, bot OTOH, it's Sunday, so fishes have time to play). Assuming the bot breaks even against the regs, making any reasonable profit of those super scarce amount of fishes seems extremely dubious.

Statistics: Posted by PolarBear — Sun May 12, 2013 11:39 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-12T03:06:14+00:00

I think you should be able to develop an FL bot, with a nash strategy that is on par with polaris NEQ strategy and you could add a simple exploit model for really bad opponents.

It should be able to run with at least 0BB/100 post rake.

You would play 8 hours a day, and should be able to play at least 1k hands a day on average, limirs would be 2/4-5/T, whi results in an average BB of about 6$, assuming you will get more opponents on lower limits.

FL has rather high rake, so you would get at least 10$ RB per 100 hands, giving you about 3k of RB per month.

Or 33$ SNG, 5 tabling on average, 10 mins per SNG -> 90$ rake per hour, lets say 50$ RB/hour

5 hours a day, 30 days makes about 7.5k, lets say you make only half of that , its still above 3k.

Seeing how bad I am at SNGs, a bot should be able to have a ROI of about 0%, but especially the FL bot looks realistic to me.

Statistics: Posted by HontoNiBaka — Sun May 12, 2013 3:06 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-12T02:05:48+00:00

I don't think you can build a bot that plays HU as profitably as a human would but I might be wrong. By profitably I mean adjusts well enough against bad opponents and still adjusts good enough not to expose leaks to good opponents.

I was mostly basing that statement on my experience with SNGs. What kind of math would you expect in HU? Limit, winrate, tables, hours/day etc.

Statistics: Posted by Coffee4tw — Sun May 12, 2013 2:05 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-12T00:30:37+00:00

Coffee4tw wrote:

Achieving >1k/month off of one account on one site is really hard IMO

Why is it so hard? Shouldnt a good HU bot be able to make similar money to a human regular? Of course a rule based ringgame bot would be a whole different story.

Statistics: Posted by HontoNiBaka — Sun May 12, 2013 12:30 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-11T19:22:59+00:00

Achieving >1k/month off of one account on one site is really hard IMO

Statistics: Posted by Coffee4tw — Sat May 11, 2013 7:22 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-08T02:44:00+00:00

1-3k

You can always run your bot on multiple sites, with multiple instances of your bot there should be a chance to make some decent money.

Statistics: Posted by HontoNiBaka — Wed May 08, 2013 2:44 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-05-01T01:02:08+00:00

LOLWorld wrote:

You play about 60-70 hands per hour at 9-max.

Whoops. You are right, I haven't played online in too long.

Statistics: Posted by Coffee4tw — Wed May 01, 2013 1:02 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-04-30T16:29:09+00:00

Realistic estimate: calculate the estimate as honestly and precisely as you can, then divide that by 2.

Statistics: Posted by eugen — Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:29 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-04-30T16:21:49+00:00

You play about 60-70 hands per hour at 9-max.

Statistics: Posted by LOLWorld — Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:21 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-04-29T20:40:15+00:00

This depends on a lot of factors.
If we say mid/low-stakes, per account that multi-tables around 6 tables on average and plays roughly 8 hours a day I would say it's about 1k per month. That's a rough guesstimate.

If you want to back this up by math you can just calculate it:
Let's say you're winning at 1bb/100, NL100, that's $1 per 100 hands.
Roughly you'll get about 90 hands per hour I think in 9max but that obviously is higher in 6max and HU, for ease of calculation let's assume we get 100/hour, which means $1/hour.
Now we 6 table for 8 hours a day, 20 days a month, that's: 6*8*20*$1 = $960/month/account.

Looks like I was about right with my guess. Those are pretty reasonable numbers to achieve with a bot I think. Obviously if you play around with the numbers this scales pretty high pretty fast but you shouldn't kid yourself about your win-rate and the playing schedule. The higher you move up, the harder it's gonna be to 6 table consistently e.g.

Statistics: Posted by Coffee4tw — Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:40 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-04-28T20:41:38+00:00

Blub478 wrote:

Edit: For guys like me you should add negative numbers

This poll is about winning bot. I would even say that this is a hypothetical question.

You can create your own poll about lossing bot.

Statistics: Posted by flop+2cards — Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:41 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-04-28T20:21:27+00:00

Wanna see that guy that does 20k+ avg. a month

Edit: For guys like me you should add negative numbers

Statistics: Posted by Blub478 — Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:21 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a mon

2013-04-28T20:07:27+00:00

added

Statistics: Posted by flop+2cards — Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:07 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot?

2013-04-28T19:31:38+00:00

Should've added that "in a month" into poll title, it's very misleading otherwise

Statistics: Posted by eugen — Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:31 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot?

2013-04-28T07:56:44+00:00

so you don't earn 100k+ already ?

Statistics: Posted by winnie — Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:56 am

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot?

2013-04-27T20:55:28+00:00

With all the cold in Antarctica, I bet you could get a PC running very fast. Maybe that's how he does it?

Statistics: Posted by cantina — Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:55 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot?

2013-04-27T15:08:41+00:00

Please, go read the first post.

flop+2cards wrote:

in a month

Statistics: Posted by flop+2cards — Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:08 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot?

2013-04-27T14:54:00+00:00

You may want to specify over what period of time.

Statistics: Posted by Blub478 — Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:54 pm

Re: How much do you expect to gain from winning bot?

2013-04-27T14:13:04+00:00

Same guy? polls ai.jpg

Statistics: Posted by flop+2cards — Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:13 pm

How much do you expect to gain from winning bot in a month?

2013-04-28T20:06:41+00:00

Ok, that day has come, you create winning bot. How much do you expect to earn in a month?

Statistics: Posted by flop+2cards — Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:50 am