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Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-05-11T19:26:01+00:00

The problem is that rake is usually huge.
In SNGs rake on mid-stake is roughly 10% which means you already have to have a 10% edge against other players to make money. I'm not sure this is achievable anymore with just an equilibrium strategy. The average player is pretty good these days unfortunately.

Statistics: Posted by Coffee4tw — Sat May 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-05-08T02:45:43+00:00

I think, it should be able to beat the rake. Of course there are situations, where you will tie, but when I look at SNG push or fold game for instance, a GTO strategy still make a profit, especially against players who are too tight. Of course this doesnt guarantee, that it will be the same in other games, but I find it likelly.

Statistics: Posted by HontoNiBaka — Wed May 08, 2013 2:45 am

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-30T13:09:45+00:00

I had in mind the equilibrium boat against the average player. Can a bot beat the rake without selecting an opponents.

Statistics: Posted by flop+2cards — Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:09 pm

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-30T12:35:25+00:00

spears wrote:

Consider rock, paper, scissors. You play (1/3, 1/3, 1/3). I play (1, 0, 0). We tie.

I just got that quote from Schnizlein's paper on State Translation.

Statistics: Posted by cantina — Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:35 pm

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-30T11:29:22+00:00

spears wrote:

Consider rock, paper, scissors. You play (1/3, 1/3, 1/3). I play (1, 0, 0). We tie.

Ooh, good example!

You play anything and we tie! However, RPS is a example of a game where the equilibrium strategy can't possibly be a winning strategy. I'm hoping Poker isn't the same.

Edit: Maybe my first post should say - "It depends on the opponent"

Statistics: Posted by OneDayItllWork — Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:29 am

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-30T11:05:29+00:00

Consider rock, paper, scissors. You play (1/3, 1/3, 1/3). I play (1, 0, 0). We tie.

Statistics: Posted by spears — Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:05 am

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-30T10:55:01+00:00

spears wrote:

OneDayItllWork wrote:

That depends whether it's playing against an equilibrium bot.

There are many strategies that will tie against an equilibrium strategy and some are very exploitable.

Surely any strategy that ties against an equilibrium strategy is an equilibrium strategy? Any variation from equilibrium will become a losing bot.

Statistics: Posted by OneDayItllWork — Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:55 am

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-30T10:50:01+00:00

OneDayItllWork wrote:

That depends whether it's playing against an equilibrium bot.

There are many strategies that will tie against an equilibrium strategy and some are very exploitable.

Statistics: Posted by spears — Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:50 am

Re: equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-30T10:20:52+00:00

That depends whether it's playing against an equilibrium bot.

Statistics: Posted by OneDayItllWork — Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:20 am

equilibrium bot and rake

2013-04-27T00:37:12+00:00

When I read this thread I asked myself, "Can the equilibrium bot beat the rake?"

Statistics: Posted by flop+2cards — Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:37 am