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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2023 2:29 pm 
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On the 1st of May we released GVISION 2.0 to our clients.

New features include real-time solving, solutions for a lot more different spots, preflop sizes and rakes, faster loading speeds, and much more.

These features not only increases win rates but provides the user with a more elegant experience.

If you're interested in applying, go to https://gvision.io (2 spots left this month)

We've had to become even more selective with who we take on so only serious applicants will be considered.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:02 am 
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The May spots disappeared pretty quick but we have 5 spots open now in June.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:44 pm 
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Here are the results you can expect from Gvision. They advertise 5bb++/100 at <500nl. They also deny widespread use of rta's on Ignition, which is clearly false if you've spent any time at 100nl+.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:13 am 
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The single worst GVISION review:

Winning at 1bb/100 in an “RTA-infested pool”

On a more positive note, we had one client just finish their 1 month sample in the same pool:

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I thought this would be a good time to answer the question; why do we see some clients only win at 1-4 bb/100 while others are crushing at 11bb/100?

There are two answers:

1. Variance.

Samples below 200k hands will naturally contain a lot of variance and win rates have not yet converged. This is easily understood by most and I don’t need to write anything further about it.

2. GVISION is an RTA, not a bot.

What do I mean by that?

We detect the client’s game state, solve it in real time, and show them the solution.

We’re not making decisions for the player.

If the player chooses to not follow the solutions or to spew off stacks, there’s nothing we can do about that.

This is why win rates will vary.

Some players will put in a small sample and only win at 1 bb/100 while others win at 11 bb/100.

The question anyone should ask themselves before applying to GVISION is, if I saw GTO solutions solved to my exact game state, how valuable would that be for me?


We thought interest would slow down during summer but there's only 4 spots left in June.

(The lowest plan we offer is 200NL)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:24 pm 
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GTO solutions with live solving on turn and river if having enough gto solutions (blue print strategies) are in general proven to be outperforming humans, demonstrated by Pluribus and Libratus bot. If one player performs much worse than other while both using the same RTA it could be one of the following reasons:

1. winning player has very low sample and was running good, 24k hands. Why didn't you provide graph with 200k hands considering that you pointed out that 100k is even small sample? Obviously you could pick graph with best performance. It might help to show e.g. 20 different players graphs (even though such data could be faked by leaving out some losing big pots so graphs in general don't mean much).
2. losing player plays very bad multiway pots and loses huge amount of non showdown in such spots resulting in overall very bad red line, while 2nd player is excellent at multiway pots, or exploiting weak players in HU spots and not following solver in such spots.
3. There was often collusion on tables where player who has bad graph was playing.
4. There were many other players who use GTO based bots or use RTA
5. GVISION might be even uploading hole cards of players who use it, and exploiting those players. Considering it is software that breaks Terms and Conditions of any poker site, and it is not open source it is certainly possible even though i doubt it is the case.

it is well known that CFR (GTO) based bots have infested today most of the poker sites, especially those with low security, so even though RTA provides significant edge it only helps you win if other players play fair and if you are excellent in spots where no solution is provided for you and can strictly follow RTA when solution is provided.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:35 pm 
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Jonas wrote:
The single worst GVISION review:

Winning at 1bb/100 in an “RTA-infested pool”

On a more positive note, we had one client just finish their 1 month sample in the same pool:

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I thought this would be a good time to answer the question; why do we see some clients only win at 1-4 bb/100 while others are crushing at 11bb/100?

There are two answers:

1. Variance.

Samples below 200k hands will naturally contain a lot of variance and win rates have not yet converged. This is easily understood by most and I don’t need to write anything further about it.

2. GVISION is an RTA, not a bot.

What do I mean by that?

We detect the client’s game state, solve it in real time, and show them the solution.

We’re not making decisions for the player.

If the player chooses to not follow the solutions or to spew off stacks, there’s nothing we can do about that.

This is why win rates will vary.

Some players will put in a small sample and only win at 1 bb/100 while others win at 11 bb/100.

The question anyone should ask themselves before applying to GVISION is, if I saw GTO solutions solved to my exact game state, how valuable would that be for me?


We thought interest would slow down during summer but there's only 4 spots left in June.

(The lowest plan we offer is 200NL)


Hi "Jonas"

I say your name with "" since your names, plus all the address and contact info on your website are FAKE. You can say whatever you want can't you? Because you are incentivized to lie. It makes you money.

Funny how 100k hands isn't enough, but you giving a 28k sample is proof! :roll:

As you point out: there's mostly no point in using GV if you are a winning player, since users can easily out-perform it.

And key thing with RTA's: would you go with a locally-hosted RTA or one that where the owners see your holecards in real time and can easily be a superuser against you at the table? Maybe not in the first month, or the 3rd, but if you did manage to play high stakes with it, why would a company that lies about their address, phone number, any of their names and denies that there is widespread use of RTAs on user's site, not scam you at the tables and with fake results?

FYI: this is the only graph GV have shown. A small sample. Show me a decent sample, per your definition of 200k+, with dates.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:28 am 
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They could easily show fake 200k sample graph so no point in that. Either you trust them or not. Most software providers tend to show the best performance of their product and make it look ideal product rather than realistic as this is what sells the product.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:26 am 
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I will respond to some of the claims made.

The goal with GVISION is to provide the best solutions possible so the client can maximize their win rate. Most clients we take on are already winning players and GVISION allows them to increase their win rate, move up in stakes, play longer hours with less stress and fatigue, and finally to learn while playing.

We have plenty of winning graphs—I think you can find two more just in this thread. People that apply will also see a 200k graph that is winning at 8 or 9 bb/100 I believe. But as nbiresev rightly points out, people shouldn't put much weight on graphs if they think the source is questionable.

It seems that the point I was making about variance was misunderstood. When I posted the 11 bb/100 graph from one of our clients; I'm not saying that everyone that gets access to GVISION will do 11 bb/100. The whole point I was making is that over small samples you will see a lot of variance, some will win at 11 bb/100 and some will do less.

Saying that we cheat our clients is a serious allegation, but let's consider the situation more closely.

If our business plan was to get a bunch of clients and then cheat vs them; we would be offering free trials, our prices would be much lower, and we would make GVISION available to anyone that wanted to get it (purchase immediately on the website). GVISION is the most expensive RTA on the market and I can guarantee that we turn down more people that wants access than anyone else.

Fortunately, it would also be easy for the player to spot that this is going on when taking a look at their database. The player would be losing an unreasonable amount of money to one single player and it would be obvious from the hand histories that something is going on.

Especially in known 500NL+ pools where you're playing against the same players every day. If one of them saw your hole cards, you'd be able to spot it quickly by the fact that they are doing +30 bb/100 vs you.

On Ignition you always have access to hole cards too so you would be seeing things like regs folding QQ in BTN vs your SB allin with KK, or taking lines that are completely different from any normal play (think: calling turn with complete air and then bluff raising river vs your weak hand—Mike Postle style).


In the end, to us it's clear that we will make more money and have a much more satisfying experience by doing our best to ensure our clients results are as good as possible. This has been our philosophy from the start and is the reason why we work on making GVISION better all day every day. There is not a doubt in my mind that GVISION is the single best software available for poker players. That is what we strive for and will continue to deliver.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:55 pm 
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by the fact that they are doing +30 bb/100 vs you.

For spotting that someone is cheating you it is not too small sample, or variance? Yes you could start doubting after short sample especially if such player would do it too obvious. If such player would do it smart, to not
exploit you every single hand but e.g. 20% of the time, it would be quite difficult to spot it, you could say it is variance. Similar is when facing collusion, it could be done in very obvious way or in not obvious way.

I find it weird that the graph that you showed has BE red line and very high blue, while the losing graph has very negative red line. While showdown winnings will have lot of variance,
red line tendency of aggression play should be reliable even on 25k hands, it is very likely that this player is exploiting population by bluffing in right spots.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:12 pm 
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nbiresev wrote:
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by the fact that they are doing +30 bb/100 vs you.

For spotting that someone is cheating you it is not too small sample, or variance? Yes you could start doubting after short sample especially if such player would do it too obvious. If such player would do it smart, to not
exploit you every single hand but e.g. 20% of the time, it would be quite difficult to spot it, you could say it is variance. Similar is when facing collusion, it could be done in very obvious way or in not obvious way.

I find it weird that the graph that you showed has BE red line and very high blue, while the losing graph has very negative red line. While showdown winnings will have lot of variance,
red line tendency of aggression play should be reliable even on 25k hands, it is very likely that this player is exploiting population by bluffing in right spots.

The issue here is that you're making a lot of assumptions without having any idea of what happened in this situation or how our operation works.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:03 am 
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What does knowing how your operation works have to do with the possiblity that player who was playing BE could have colussion, bots other RTA on the tables?
Also my comment about non showdown winnings, that if one player has BE red line and very positive blue line, it means such player bluffs in good spots. What does that have to do with knowing your operation?

You are claiming that you only provide tool to winning players that should help them move up the stakes and practice gto. That you have a very strict procedure of player selection.
One of your customers posts here that GVISION is a scam and shows BE graph, and you claim it is due to variance in 100k hands or his fault how he has been using it. Those 2 things are contradictions as it seems you turned winning player (you select only winning players using your strict selection procedure) into BE player.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:08 am 
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There's been a lot of interest lately from regulars that want to transition over from spins and MTTs—an interesting trend!

We have 2 spots left in June.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:12 am 
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An article from earlier this year:

Poker GTO: The Ultimate Guide to Game Theory Optimal Strategy [2023]

The Benefits of Poker GTO Strategy

If you're a serious poker player, chances are you've heard the term "GTO" thrown around in conversations or online forums. But what exactly is GTO, and why is it so important in modern poker? In this article, we'll explain the concept of Game Theory Optimal (GTO) strategy and how it can help you improve your game. We'll also introduce you to GVISION, a software tool that uses GTO principles to provide real-time assistance during your poker sessions.

But first, let's start with a definition. GTO poker strategy is a theoretical approach to the game that involves making optimal decisions in a given situation. In other words, GTO strategy is about finding the most profitable way to play against an opponent, even if he is making the best possible decisions.

The rise of poker solvers has made it easier for players to exploit their opponents' weaknesses. If you're not aware of these weaknesses, you could be at a serious disadvantage. GTO strategy allows you to counteract opponent exploitation by making it impossible for them, plain and simple.

GTO strategy is also a means of achieving long-term profitability. By making optimal decisions, you can minimize your losses and maximize your wins over the long run. This is especially important in today's competitive poker environment, where even small edges can make a big difference.

Understanding Poker GTO Principles: Equilibrium, Frequencies and Balanced Play

So how do you implement GTO strategy in your game? Understanding the principles of GTO is a good start. Here are a few key concepts to keep in mind:

- Equilibrium: GTO strategy is based on the concept of equilibrium, which is the set of strategies that both players arrive at, when they both do their best possible job at exploiting each other, and no more edge is to be gained.

- Mixed frequencies: In order to play the best possible strategies, game theory optimal play will play hands at mixed frequencies, instead of playing them pure, because if you could only either bet or check with a hand, and not bet at some frequency, while checking at another frequency, your strategy would simply end up being too weak.

- Balanced plays: GTO strategy involves making bets and calls in a way that is “balanced”, meaning that even if your opponent knew your exact strategy, there wouldn't be anything they could do about it. Your value hands are perfectly balanced with the right amount of bluffs. You never over- or under-defend when your opponent bets himself.

Implementing Poker GTO Strategy in Your Game with GVISION

So how can you put these GTO principles into practice? One tool that can help is GVISION, a software program designed specifically for poker players. GVISION uses GTO principles to provide real-time assistance during your poker sessions, helping you make the most profitable decisions based on the current game situation.

Using GVISION can help you implement poker GTO strategy in your game in a number of ways:

- Real-time assistance: GVISION provides real-time assistance during your poker sessions, helping you make optimal decisions based on the current game situation. This can include recommendations on bet sizing and frequency, as well as guidance on how to counter your opponent's strategies.

- Tips for incorporating GTO principles: GVISION implicitly includes tips and strategies for incorporating GTO principles into your own gameplay, with what is essentially advice on balancing your range and making perfect defenses, to adapt into your play.

- Reduced tilt and improved decision making: By following GTO principles, you can improve your decision making and reduce tilt - the tendency to make emotional decisions that can negatively impact your game. GVISION helps you focus on making optimal decisions based on the current game situation, rather than letting your emotions get in the way.

Continuing Your Poker GTO Journey: Tips for Improving and Incorporating GTO into Your Poker Gameplay

In conclusion, GTO poker strategy is an important concept for serious poker players to understand. By making optimal decisions you can counteract opponent exploitation, achieve long-term profitability, and improve your decision making. GVISION is a software tool that can help you implement GTO principles in your game, providing real-time assistance and tips for incorporating GTO strategy into your gameplay. Whether you're a beginner or a seasoned pro, GVISION can help you improve your GTO understanding and implementation. Remember, the key to success in poker is continually learning and improving, and we’re here to help.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:58 am 
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"In other words, GTO strategy is about finding the most profitable way to play against an opponent, even if he is making the best possible decisions."

This definition is actually exploitative strategy. GTO strategy is finding equlibrium strategy, such that no matter how your opponent plays, you are guaranteed to not loose. It doesnt mean that it is most profitable one.
Against very bad player, it is more profitable to exploit the leaks rather than to play GTO approximation strategy. In practice, following GTO approximation strategy like RTA provides, makes sense against
very strong players, against whom you dont spot big leaks. Against bad players, it is more profitable to play max exploit strategy.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:59 am 
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nbiresev wrote:
"In other words, GTO strategy is about finding the most profitable way to play against an opponent, even if he is making the best possible decisions."

This definition is actually exploitative strategy.

Let me clarify the definition for you:

A GTO strategy is one that cannot be exploited, regardless of what an opponent does. It is the most effective strategy to use against a perfect opponent who is making optimal decisions.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:46 pm 
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Thanks for correcting the definition, this one is fine.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:56 am 
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Only one spot left in June.

We'll be releasing a big update in July. More on that later.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:45 am 
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New blog post out.

Exploring RTA Poker Software: An Unprecedented Educational Tool
The world of poker, much like every sphere of life, has experienced the transformative power of technology. One such innovation is Real-Time Assistance (RTA), which has risen to prominence in the poker community. By understanding and harnessing the power of RTA poker software, players can tap into a new world of learning and improvement. This comprehensive guide aims to help you explore how RTA serves as an educational tool in the world of poker.

Defining RTA in Poker
Before we delve into the educational aspects of RTA poker, it is vital to ensure we are all on the same page regarding what RTA in poker entails.

RTA poker refers to software tools that provide real-time assistance to players while they are engaged in live games. These tools perform functions ranging from calculating pot odds, suggesting optimal moves, and analyzing the tendencies of opponents. The defining characteristic is the real-time element - the advice and data are provided live during the game, as opposed to after the game concludes.

The driving principle behind RTA poker software is to enable players to make decisions rooted in data, logic, and strategic considerations, reducing the reliance on guesswork, intuition, or raw emotion.

Read the rest here.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:46 am 
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6 spots opened for July, 1 gone already.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:26 am 
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July has been a slower month. It seems most poker players (including some of our clients) are taking some well earned vacation this month.

4 spots left in July.


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