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 Post subject: [OFFER] Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:15 pm 
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We are a team of experienced botters/programmers.

We will provide a fully functional "table hopper" and scraping framework.
You press play and the bot will start the poker client, log in, select correct stakes and limits and scrape tables.
It will open tables and sit down and play the number of tables you wish at the same time. Tables will be closed based on your criteria. For example sitout stack or number of plays at the table.
The bot is fully stealth and is not visible in any way. It runs from a virtual enviroment which means you can run multiple sites on the same server.
The system will have built in human behaviour such as randomized reaction time and randomized click positions on all buttons. The randomization of time and coordinates done by a function developed over time based on hundred of thousands of logged clicks from actual play.
All mouse and keyboard input will be simulated via the virtual mouse/keyboard driver the same way real events are generated.

The table status, player names, stacks, positions, bets, pot, actions will be scraped from the screen. Everything is read with OCR from the virtual graphics cards memory so it is undetectable.

Local detailed logs are kept of everything that happens for easy bug tracking and fixing. In the case of an error occurring a detailed description along with a screen dump of the status when the error occurred will be saved. Also for ease of finding/fixing potential changes to the site.
The bot will detect if something has changed and throw an exception with detailed information about the problem .

Development time is based on the individual site since they have all have their own quirks. But it is usually somewhere between 4-8 weeks.
After that we will provide you with the system which will have a built in stop after a certain amount of hands are played.
With this you can test your AI integration and when you have the system up and running you proceed with the final payment after which you will receive a full version of the bot without limited number of hands.

After this we will help you with any final tweaks to your wishes for the next 6 weeks. After which our contract ends.
We will help you with further fixes updates in case they change the site for example. Smaller fixes we will do for free.
A smaller change example can be if they just move some stuff around which the bot can not adapt for. Larger fixes such as if they change a larger amount of functionality or remake of the entire site we will fix for a charge.
The cost will never exceed 40% of the initial payment even if we have to redo the entire site.
Exact figures will be contracted upon after eventual site modification. Good support and communication is our goal. This is a small community and displeased customers will easily make their word heard. So it is in our best interest to keep you satisfied.


Communication with the bot can be customized to your wish but will look something like this.
All information of what happens at the table will be available in the table status.
Everything that happens on the table will be provided for. You respond to the bot with an action.
The bot performs the action and will ask again at the next time it has a decision to make.
Also with detailed information of what has happened since last action.

This is what you need to do: integrate your ai to read this table status we provide in an easy to use format and reply with an action.
We will not help you with AI development. Nor AI implementation. You adapt your AI to work with our easy to use interface.
Of course we can help with the interfacing to a certain point but you will have to make your AI communicate with the bot on your own.


Price for system:
Entire bot framework for handeling a pokersite including virtual machine running windows and follow up support.
$5000

$2000 down payment

$3000 on delivery

For more information send PM.


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:13 pm 
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Since we are still working on the new "laws" of this forum I am going to apply the old ones, in which sale of products is forbidden.
Therefore I highly discourage anybody from contacting S4Lt; and if you do, it is at your own risk.

In my personal opinion this sounds way too good to be true, sure there is no AI but an undetectable 100% working scraper is worth my weight in gold to a lot of people.

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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:23 pm 
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I apologize. I was not aware of that rule.

It is obviously not 100% undetectable. It all depends on where you hook in the chain. But we are very proud of our work which have been going on 6 years now and in that time we have never had any problems and we are starting to get a decent code base.

Our AI have been marginally winning the past year (including rb) and now we lost some rakeback deals making us drop below the zero line the past 4 months. So we decided not to waste all the time we invested and hope to be able to help out others. Note that the price may go up later depending on how many orders we get.

As I wrote, if you have any questions just ask.

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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:56 pm 
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Do you offer more flexible deals too? For example, if I was interested in the mouse/keyboard drivers only?


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:59 pm 
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No.

And to clarify. We are not giving away any code.
The system delivered is compiled and ready to use.


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:24 pm 
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Splitting up the limits and hours of the day on different accounts on different IP's is key when botting. VM's is an easy solution for this. It is also nice to get an overview. We run linux on all our servers (it can be done from windows a swell). A simple script generates randomized crontab schedules that call each VM when to start the bot, stop, and take breaks. Easily managing all VM's from linux, all done remotely.

With our solution you can work from anywhere in the world from a simple laptop. You then remote in to your server via an SSL tunnel, secure and easy to use. You remotely view the bot via RDP over SSL.

This is the solution we offer. We offer exactly how we have done it the past years.


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:22 pm 
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If you run this software on your servers why don't rent you it out for a cent a hand? That would be much more attractive to customers than committing to a big up front payment, and your take would be bigger in the long term.

You talk about writing interfaces for different sites. If you've been doing this for for 6 years haven't you covered all the major sites already?


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:40 pm 
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spears wrote:
If you run this software on your servers why don't rent you it out for a cent a hand? That would be much more attractive to customers than committing to a big up front payment, and your take would be bigger in the long term.

You talk about writing interfaces for different sites. If you've been doing this for for 6 years haven't you covered all the major sites already?


Interesting idea. Though our servers are pretty expensive. One cent per hand would not get us far. We have 4 servers and they cost about $800 (each) per month in rent with equipment, power, housing, security and broadband. Adding all the work of maintaining the system we would not make much of a profit unless we had a lot of clients. But maybe 2 cent per hand would be a more reasonable number. Since we could obviously not use those IP's ourselves any more.


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:42 pm 
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spears wrote:
If you run this software on your servers why don't rent you it out for a cent a hand? That would be much more attractive to customers than committing to a big up front payment, and your take would be bigger in the long term.

You talk about writing interfaces for different sites. If you've been doing this for for 6 years haven't you covered all the major sites already?


Interesting idea. Though our servers are pretty expensive. One cent per hand would not get us far. We have 4 servers and they cost about $800 (each) per month in rent with equipment, power, housing, security and broadband. Adding all the work of maintaining the system we would not make much of a profit unless we had a lot of clients. But maybe 2 cent per hand would be a more reasonable number. Since we could obviously not use those IP's ourselves any more.



It wont hold for more than maybe 1-2 custommers. Since 2 custommers playing on the same site can't have the same IP. Good input though.


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:08 pm 
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Why can't you get more ip addresses? Use something like http://www.proxy-service.de/ Or you could route the comms back through the customer at the very least.

You sure are spending a lot on servers.


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:30 pm 
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spears wrote:
Why can't you get more ip addresses? Use something like http://www.proxy-service.de/ Or you could route the comms back through the customer at the very least.

You sure are spending a lot on servers.


Tunnelling all traffic via some proxy is not something I would like to do. Mainly cause of latecy issues.

All the users need is a simple PC and Virtualbox. The bot is very efficient. Table and lobby handlers takes up less than 2% of one of our servers cores whilst playing 10 tables. Usually what eats most of the CPU is the poorly coded poker clients.
Virtualbox can easily be running in the background even on a development PC. So I do not se this as an issue for anyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:44 am 
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spears wrote:
If you run this software on your servers why don't rent you it out for a cent a hand? That would be much more attractive to customers than committing to a big up front payment, and your take would be bigger in the long term.

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But maybe 2 cent per hand would be a more reasonable number.


I think you didn't calculate the 1cent example because 1/cent per hand is still too expensive.
someone who rents your service will run 250k Hands/month at least -> 2500$ /month if he pays 1cent per hand.
Its hard to beat such an additional amunt of rake ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Bot Consultant
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:22 pm 
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S4Lt wrote:
We have 4 servers and they cost about $800 (each) per month in rent with equipment, power, housing, security and broadband.
You're kidding, right?

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