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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:16 pm 
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Hi everyone!

First, if you have any thoughts, ideas and suggestions, I'm open for any team work.

Several years ago I had the idea to implement PokerStars Bot. I have quite good experience in software development. Now it's clear to me that I'm ready. I'd like to present my vision of Bot and highlight the most narrow places where PokerStars (and maybe others) can catch it.

Let me start from business goals.
1. Undetectable by Room.
2. Fully automated. Support of scheduling work (MTT or playing cash, I mean human like).
3. Simple setup, not for sale, but for scaling.

My ideas for implementation.
1. Human like behavior.
1.1. Undetectable reading information from screen (VM is not an option, maybe KVM, maybe video driver, it's problem for investigation).
1.2. Recognize situation on tables including table and event name, bet sizes and positions, player names (as far as I researched it's obvious nowadays).
1.3. Making decision service (I'm planning to implement like separate "online" service. It will be mix of machine learning and charts).
1.4. Low level mouse driver implementation with human emulation (another yet problem, the idea I have is to save all my track moves and randomly use them).
2. Full automation(I suppose it's obvious, in case all implemented above).
2.1. Run client by schedule. Should have significant events schedule in DB.
2.2. Open scheduled event table or cash tables. Using previous recognition and inputs, of course.
2.3. Monitoring balance. Bot should stop work by balance limitations.
2.4. Close in human like manner.
3. Simple setup. I mean that it should be thick client that is on the same PC with Poker Room client. Decision service and maybe recognition module are elsewhere.

Maybe, I didn't take into account some security issues like VPN or geo location, let me know, please.

Thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 am 
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- Don't start with PokerStars. They have the best bot detection.
- Specialise in the AI or the Casino Interface, at least to start. Hopefully somebody will rent you an AI or sell you a Casino Interface eg
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3299
- I started with a program like https://www.poker-genius.com/ If you want to use that check the API actually works. There is also something called pokertestbed.
- Spend a few days reading this forum. There is some good content but it is very spread out.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am 
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Poker stars is the holy grail. Maybe start to develop what you mentioned above, but don't exclude trying it on other sites.

If you do get things going for you I'd be happy to be involved and maybe share thoughts.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:35 pm 
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Guys,

Thanks for useful replies. However, I have last, but not least problem. Is it possible to emulate human input? Scaling and automation aren't possible without that.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:46 pm 
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baddy wrote:
Guys,

Thanks for useful replies. However, I have last, but not least problem. Is it possible to emulate human input? Scaling and automation aren't possible without that.


This is the whole point of creating a poker strategy.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:16 am 
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baddy wrote:
Guys,

Thanks for useful replies. However, I have last, but not least problem. Is it possible to emulate human input? Scaling and automation aren't possible without that.


It's possible to move the cursor in a human like way. Be sure to test this properly because there are pitfalls.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:25 pm 
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spears wrote:
baddy wrote:
Guys,

Thanks for useful replies. However, I have last, but not least problem. Is it possible to emulate human input? Scaling and automation aren't possible without that.


It's possible to move the cursor in a human like way. Be sure to test this properly because there are pitfalls.


What kind of pitfalls you mean?
Would it be enough to record human mouse movements, and then if you want to move mouse between A and B, pick random path, and rotate, translate, scale points to fit between A and B?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:57 am 
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I think the most advanced poker bot rn is 'PockerSnowie' - its an AI that uses neural networking. I'm not sure but I think it's still a training software tho. I don’t know a lot about active poker bots' actual playing strategy - to avoid detection (for example in PokerStars if not a neural network) then its likely playing just exploitative strategies based on population tendency (pre-programmed) based on certain types of players and their frequencies. I can see some profit in this but not a very large one. It's pretty easy to detect poker bots as well. Like PokerStars is pretty intense and if their system flags and captchas every chance they get. When I'm playing on multiple tables, I am always sent a captcha, pretty annoying. Actually I joined a poker community after that and whenever I entered through the official site I wasn't flagged anymore. Maybe you can try that method. I access using the double down casino codes on gamerreward but there are a lot of others in case this one doesn't work.


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Hello! I became interested in this topic. I have a little savings and I am thinking of investing them in creating a gaming site. I imagine a site something like this https://vulkan.bet/en/casino. Can you roughly tell how much it will cost to create such a website? And what are the approximate costs of its development?

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