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 Post subject: Top secret: Online poker is rigged
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:54 pm 
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Cliffnotes (compiled by PeppaPig and Indiana):

Evilthoutz: Online poker is all rigged. I have some top secret information on this but can't tell you what it is
Many: Yawn
Newbee: No it is rigged really, and no I'm not just a doppleganger of Evilthoutz
Many: Yawn + debate about legality of online poker in europe. Conclusion: it's not illegal.
Peppa: Tries to be clever - argues its only rigged for stupid people
Adrian20XX: Proposes an experiment which would answer whether the game is rigged in the specific way claimed. Offers to bet money that it isn't rigged
Evilthoutz/newbee: Are not interested in Adrians offer it seems
Many: Yawn
Many: Joke with Evilthoutz and Newbee
Evilthoutz: You're all losers fokers now notin bout makin lots of money.
Indiana: Takes his asshole role and shuts the evilthoutz down
Evilthoutz: Tells indiana to get a life.
Indiana: Pwns evilthoutz and thinks to provide all the info about Evilthoutz criminal activities to the UK police computer crime investigation and forensics litigation support department.
Evilthoutz: Is gone for good.

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I think online poker sites make all players win at certain stages to keep all players happy so they get costant rake. I once used a program called sharkscope hud
http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html click on sharkscope hud
and youll see the pictures. Well my point is for example if your in a hand with a player that is losing money if you hand a good hand from preflop or flop your hand will get cracked by the player who is losing money, like i said they do this to keep everone happy so that way players will keep playing.

I have certain information about poker sites that i will disclose later on when i am mayme level one.
And by the way dont buy the sharkscope hud its useless its just an example i was showing
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Last edited by indiana on Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:54 pm, edited 17 times in total.
Timmy: Deleted double post, moved remaining topic; Indiana: Posted Peppa's cliffnotes.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:10 pm 
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Evilthoutz wrote:
I think online poker sites make all players win at certain stages to keep all players happy so they get costant rake. I once used a program called sharkscope hud
http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html click on sharkscope hud
and youll see the pictures. Well my point is for example if your in a hand with a player that is losing money if you hand a good hand from preflop or flop your hand will get cracked by the player who is losing money, like i said they do this to keep everone happy so that way players will keep playing.

I have certain information about poker sites that i will disclose later on when i am mayme level one.
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I don't know how strict the requirements for level 1 are now, but I'm pretty sure that with this kinds of posts, you'll never make it.
I don't want to be rude, just that the conspiracy theory is making you look like ..., well, you guess how.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:31 pm 
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I have certain information about poker sites that i will disclose later on when i am mayme level one.

If you got any information or proof of a rigged site then you better tell us now or else you will get the "tin foil hat"-stamp. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:39 pm 
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YES i do have proof but not only that i have found a way of playing the software not the cards and made a lot of money from but only works on 2 sites which i have been banned from now.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:20 am 
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Its as simple as this, why scam your customers as a poker site when you will make alot of money regardless from rake, If you were a big name poker site why risk your customers and long term income? Its pointless...


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:08 am 
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In Evilthoutz defense, the whole SuperUser thing was kind of hard to believe too.

If casinos were fixing the odds of the game, though, it be could easily detected by analyzing hand histories. There's really no point in discussing this further until someone does that. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:08 am 
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marscom wrote:
Its as simple as this, why scam your customers as a poker site when you will make alot of money regardless from rake, If you were a big name poker site why risk your customers and long term income? Its pointless...

I agree with marscom, Poker sites have EV- in this.
And I disagree with Timmy, the AP scandal for me was not done by the share holders (that lost huge EV), but the work of previous share holder or employees. And what OP is implying is that this is done by the Sites (I interpret this as the shareholders). In the worst case, it was the work of a rogue employee.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:15 am 
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I am 100% sure it has been done by the management team, no one else should have access to create superuser accounts.
They must have known about this from the start.Absolutely no doubt, maybe with the new management team that they didn't know off okay, but thats kinda clumpsy after what happened a while ago already, you would say immidiatly cutoff all access to seeing holecards, and build in a whole new protection system in or just renew all software, but no, they did nothing sufficient cause now it just happpened again. That company is one big joke for me.

That says more then enough!


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:25 am 
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marscom wrote:
Its as simple as this, why scam your customers as a poker site when you will make alot of money regardless from rake, If you were a big name poker site why risk your customers and long term income? Its pointless...


#2!
That's the point


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:47 am 
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Well, if you can keep new players to hang around making it easyer for them to win pots, then there is more rake to be generated and you get them commited.

For instance

I have 3 of a kind

Opponents hold toppair

I push allin, he calls cause he is a fish and thinks he has the nuts, now he make huge suckout so he can stay and play for a while, the shark makes only less money, to bad for him, he will win it back eventualy. Would the fish loose every time, the pokersite would probably have lost this customer pretty soon. But now he thinks he is good, he gets maybe a bit addictive to it, and he is commited and pokersite makes a lot of rake on him. Much more then in the other case.

So in other words I say, it's possible to win at internet poker, but the sites slow you down. I've seen it too many times to put my head in the sand.

I would like to add, why is it that when I open a brand new account I always have a good run from the start, and when I cashed out it's immidiatly over, I have experienced this a dozen times, what a coincedence!


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:53 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:49 pm 
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When people say its not rigged full stop must either work for the sites or be a bit slow.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:31 pm 
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I play 3 years poker and it's too obvious.

Imagine yourself, if they would rig 100% of the accounts it would be too obvious.
But what you say if they rig 90% of the accounts, so we keep 10% that can tell the rest that it's not rigged.
Cause only 90-95% of all pokerplayers (in general) are winners long term, it settles it nice out.
Just say that someone looses is a fish.

5 second ago I go allin again for the third time today, and 3times I got sucked out, yesterday same issue, 2 big suckouts.
How many times I went allin in total, exactly 5 times in 2 days, and 5 huge suckouts. Variance my ass.

I have even written it down on a note the last month, of all the times that I am 80% or more favourite I loose the pot 50% of the time, if that ain't rigged?


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:28 pm 
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Dam right and well said im going to pm you later for some info yoll like to know


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:50 pm 
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newbee wrote:
Cause only 90-95% of all pokerplayers (in general) are winners long term, it settles it nice out.

I totall agree with newbee, 90-95% of all players are long term winners, and the rest are long term break even players, sites take special care by riggering the cards to not lose customers, so players win money and so they win the rake.

I guess we'll have to create a new forum, Junk is not enought for this.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:05 pm 
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No no no and an extra no thats wrong 90 percent of players are losers theres a small percent are winners long term, dam it get the facts right


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
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Yeah I typed the sentence wrong, probalbly to fast, they WISH 90% is winner,

I meant to say 90-95% of all players are loosers and thats why lot of sites can easily give out 10-20% unrigged accounts so they can spread the good word.

I am not sure about all the sites but I am 100% sure about Full_Tilt poker. I am a winning player at Pokerstars, but at Full-Tilt I have never cashed out, so it really sucks that Pstars has such good protection against bots, and that fuckers of fulltilt, haaa they don't give shit about it, and that means they don't give shit about anything, so why wouldn't they rig it up.

Moral they never heard of, same like Absolute and Ultimate, they also don't give shit with there bot freezone and there superuser accounts.

Why people find it so hard to beleive that they can rig it up, if you read all the other scam story's and the PRO botting behaviour of them, its just a bunch of criminals, internetpoker is illegal in whole europe, but they don't care.

Last thing I say:

When you are a decent, honest person you don't start an internet poker site offshore and exploit that in country's where it's forbidden! Employees of pokersites can't even travel to America, cause they will get arrested there. Now you see what a nice guys it are, still hard to beleive that kind of people wouldn't rig it up?

Well if ya cant beleive that you are the most dumb naief person who walks around in this world. Get ready to get scammed a lot in your life if your such a good beleiver.

Ps I also play on fulltilt cause my bot breaks even there, and I can make some money with the rakeback, but if there was no rakeback I would never play there, other nice fact: Fulltilt is the only one with 10% rake at NL10, kinda sick too.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:27 pm 
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newbee wrote:
internetpoker is illegal in whole europe

Are you sure about this? I know it's illegal for Germany but whole europe is new for me. Any references?


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:14 pm 
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michaelm wrote:
newbee wrote:
internetpoker is illegal in whole europe

Are you sure about this? I know it's illegal for Germany but whole europe is new for me. Any references?


I know it's illegal in Holland and Germany and France, I assume it won't be different in the rest of the at least west european country's.


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