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 Post subject: Poker Websites Targeted in Federal Crackdown
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:36 pm 
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 16194.html.

Looks like the odds of anyone botting in the states and getting a C&D order now is effectively 0 from Full Tilt, Stars, and Absolute.


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 Post subject: Re: Poker Websites Targeted in Federal Crackdown
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:01 pm 
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I am becoming more and more tired of my nations "LAW" as it does things like this and I'm just 23 years old. I'm applying for a visa to somewhere in the next year or two...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:05 pm 
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From the actual indictment (http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressre ... mentpr.pdf):

"FBI Assistant Director-in-Charge JANICE K. FEDARCYK said: "These defendants, knowing full well that their business
with U.S. customers and U.S. banks was illegal, tried to stack the deck. They lied to banks about the true nature of their business. Then, some of the defendants found banks willing to flout the law for a fee. The defendants bet the house that they could continue their scheme, and they lost."


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:43 pm 
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Some more info (purely rumor at this point): http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-geni ... dal-2011-4.

Allegedly one of their payment processors in the states tried to skim some money from the payments which resulted in the sites tipping off the FBI about his behavior. Then he turned states evidence and is being used as a primary witness to go after the sites.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:10 pm 
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I dont see anything wrong with going after crooked banks but I really dont see why the US is not allowing these sites to run in the US and even be created/owned/operated here to regulate and tax.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:13 pm 
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Qwerty mentioned these links in our forum some minutes ago:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/trouble-online-poker-web-sites-seized-fbi-stars-tilt-included-1020617/
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf

Could not yet read / evaluate everything, but it sounds, as if not only some banks but also some poker rooms were in trouble.

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 Post subject: Re: Poker Websites Targeted in Federal Crackdown
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:48 am 
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http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/04/o ... -10218.htm

PokerNews is also reporting and regularly updating their page with details as they come out. As it looks atm, FTP is still down but PS has moved fully to PokerStars.eu and effectively circumvented a big downtime. Well for non-US players that is.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:35 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:39 am 
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Anyone want to comment on the status of their American account(s) at these sites?


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Major sites out of the american market
http://www.pokerlistings.com/pokerstars ... rket-79694

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The fulltilt client pushed an update this morning, Americans can connect and observe real money games, but can't sit at a table. :(


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The update fails to download here.
Cant play at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Poker Websites Targeted in Federal Crackdown
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:02 pm 
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AP and UB are still ok with american players. They also pushed an update to the client but everything seems to work fine.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:27 pm 
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Wow, spent so much time reversing and now it's for nothing...


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:07 pm 
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I think this is what is commonly known as the shit hitting the fan.


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 Post subject: Re: Poker Websites Targeted in Federal Crackdown
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:54 pm 
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Well:

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Representatives for Full Tilt and PokerStars have recently indicated they might welcome a chance to prove in court that their activities do not violate federal law.

Who knows.

Last time US government went after PartyPoker, this led to PokerStars emerging as market leader. If PS and FTP drop the US market, I guess other sites will just go on ...?

P.S. Why pokerscout isn't showing any significant drop in PS players?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:24 pm 
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UB might be making some half-assed attempt to block US IPs, or the ISP is...


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 Post subject: Re: Poker Websites Targeted in Federal Crackdown
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:43 pm 
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I think they (AP & UB) started blocking acounts registered in the US but for now foreign accounts with US IP seem to work.


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So If I get dual citizenship and post my address in Europe but play from US Its all good? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Poker Websites Targeted in Federal Crackdown
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:23 pm 
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AP/UB is almost dead in terms of game numbers. There's no more than 70 cash games or so running at any one point - today it's been in the low 60s. If they don't make an official announcement about whether or not US players can use the site I can see the Cereus Network really taking a dive.


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