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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:30 am 
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OK, I proved my point, so I'll stop replying to these clowns, unless they accept the proposition bet that was made to see if they stood by the non-sense they've said. They showed they don't even believe in the trash they talk, but still talk trash. Further questions to clarify the proposition bet, would be replied only if the clowns commit to play no less than 50 hands of NL200 or higher by the rules, and they make an escrow first of asking with Indiana.

So, to end my participation in this thread and the communication with the clowns, this funnny PM that clown #2 sent me, letter by letter.
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Can i and why all the codes also whats the interest and have any of the poker bots known to be good


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:50 am 
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Dont get upset coz i caught you out Adrian20XX
its not your fault you dont have a clue about poker.


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Evilthoutz 879 £4 £29 11% £2,592 FullTilt

Thats says to me you dont have a clue so please shuhhhh.
I made this post for possitive feedback and a good discussion not for an argument with someone who does not have a clue.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:59 am 
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Evilthoutz wrote:
Dont get upset coz i caught you out Adrian20XX
its not your fault you dont have a clue about poker.


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Adrian20XX 125 -£0 -£3 14% -£39 Tilt PokerStars

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Evilthoutz 879 £4 £29 11% £2,592 FullTilt

Thats says to me you dont have a clue so please shuhhhh.
I made this post for possitive feedback and a good discussion not for an argument with someone who does not have a clue.

How does winning or not have anything to do with this discussion? You asked for a real nick and he gave it to you. If you realy believe in what you write then you should accept Adrians challenge.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:53 pm 
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What challange ill accept any challange thrown at me, ummmm ok lets dance im game for this.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:57 pm 
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Oh yes i see the challange now, but whats this going to prove.


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:02 am 
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If you believe in what you're saying, you shouldnt care WHAT its trying to prove. If you actually believe what you've been typing, you should be jumping all over the challenge so you can make money. Clear enough?


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:33 am 
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I agree that Online Poker is absolutely 100% positively rigged.

However, it is still absolutely beatable. I'll quote Sklansky when he was talking about the Absolute Poker scandal.

"Don't cut your nose off to spite your face."

And take some lessons from Gus Hensen. I don't see him wining too much about bad beats. 8-) According to Gus he goes on million dollar swings playing ring games on FTP, and I believe him.

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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:55 am 
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Oh yes that is rigged for sure but what i dont under stand is, why all the fucking greed these casinos dont just want a peice of you they want your whole fucing wallet. These poker sites are no different than roullete machines and fruit machines the software for the poker must be very sofisticated to do what it does to players it lets you win for a while then caps you, if youve all played online, youve all seen the that streak where you go on maybe 12 to 13 tornaments in a row and keep losing and its bad beat after bad beat your aways getting outsdraws losing to 3 of a kinds and 4 of a kinds. its not easy to stop when your on that streak its sends you on tilt only advice i can give is cashout and go to the next website and do it again, be disciplined
and stop at the time when you start losing a few torneys in a row, the sign for me is when i get 5 or 6 bads beats in 1 or 2 torneys. So my advice again when your up at online poker stop and cashout because there only reeling you in, dont byte the bate and youll make a nice little profit form all the sites. Regards Evilthoutz


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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:54 pm 
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Cliffnotes? - anyone volunteering to summarize ...

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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:34 pm 
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indiana wrote:
Cliffnotes? - anyone volunteering to summarize ...

Cliffnotes :

Evilthoutz : Online poker is all rigged. I have some top secret information on this but can't tell you what it is
Many : yawn
newbee : no it is rigged really, and no I'm not just a doppleganger of Evilthoutz
Many : yawn - plus debate about legality of online poker in europe - conclusion - its not illegal
Peppa : tries to be clever - argues its only rigged for stupid people
Adrian20XX : Proposes an experiment which would answer whether the game is rigged in the specific way claimed. Offers to bet money that it isn't rigged
Evilthoutz/newbee : are not interested in Adrians offer it seems
Many : yawn

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 Post subject: Re: Top secret: Online poker is rigged to keep players happy
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:53 pm 
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I have stuck your cliffnotes in the OP.

I think people were too harsh with newbee and Evilshitz. For instance, I haven't see any meaningful reply to newbees very specific and detailed proof of why online poker is rigged:

newbee wrote:
For instance

I have 3 of a kind

Opponents hold toppair

I push allin, he calls cause he is a fish and thinks he has the nuts, now he make huge suckout so he can stay and play for a while


P.S. newbee - maybe that's why you're selling your pokerbot? Cause it makes 56 bb/100h after 4k hands, then break evens, and then starts to lose? You need to put that in the readme, that the bot is good only for few thousand hands, then online poker starts to become rigged, so you should not use it.

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 Post subject: Re: Is online poker rigged, to keep all players happy to get xt
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:03 am 
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PeppaPig wrote:
indiana wrote:
Cliffnotes? - anyone volunteering to summarize ...

Cliffnotes :

Evilthoutz : Online poker is all rigged. I have some top secret information on this but can't tell you what it is
Many : yawn
newbee : no it is rigged really, and no I'm not just a doppleganger of Evilthoutz
Many : yawn - plus debate about legality of online poker in europe - conclusion - its not illegal
Peppa : tries to be clever - argues its only rigged for stupid people
Adrian20XX : Proposes an experiment which would answer whether the game is rigged in the specific way claimed. Offers to bet money that it isn't rigged
Evilthoutz/newbee : are not interested in Adrians offer it seems
Many : yawn

- PeppaPig


LOL!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Top secret: Online poker is rigged to keep players happy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:04 am 
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indiana wrote:
I have stuck your cliffnotes in the OP.

I think people were too harsh with newbee and Evilshitz. For instance, I haven't see any meaningful reply to newbees very specific and detailed proof of why online poker is rigged:

newbee wrote:
For instance

I have 3 of a kind

Opponents hold toppair

I push allin, he calls cause he is a fish and thinks he has the nuts, now he make huge suckout so he can stay and play for a while


P.S. newbee - maybe that's why you're selling your pokerbot? Cause it makes 56 bb/100h after 4k hands, then break evens, and then starts to lose? You need to put that in the readme, that the bot is good only for few thousand hands, then online poker starts to become rigged, so you should not use it.


"DOUBLELOL!!!!"

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 Post subject: Re: Top secret: Online poker is rigged to keep players happy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:14 pm 
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Hahahahahahah my gut my gut hahahahahah man that was funny extra lols all round.
The fact is im up thousands of pounds from my so called sercet info.

Here check it out ---- fulltilt poker

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Evilthoutz
DarkMindz
Evil cardz
mrs angelina
Evil cardz

I have many other accounts that have won loads which i cant disclose for certain reasons.
This was my poker info, i make 40k a year on this if you look at the accounts, i only play a small ammount of games and then close my account.
So there you have it while im here making lots of money playing poker, you fucking spastics
Are here tweaking with you silly little poker bots trying to win a little cash.
Its simple ant it you fucking nerdy little boys cant play poker, thats why this site is here for dumb fools who need poker bots to help them play poker.
So no i dont think the the big LOLS are on me the Big LOLS are on you.

Im done with this site its full of idiots and wannabees, ive already seen Adrian20XX stats on sharkscope lol what a laughing joke check it out lol

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Adrian20XX 125 -£0 -£3 £3 14% -£39 Tilt PokerStars x
49545911 5-May-07 20:36 TURBO NL Holdem $11 45 -$12
49545469 5-May-07 20:27 TURBO NL Holdem $11 45 -$12
46339897 27-Mar-07 23:48 NL Holdem $4 180 -$4.40
46339050 27-Mar-07 23:44 NL Holdem $4 180 -$4.40
46338358 27-Mar-07 23:13 NL Holdem $4 180 -$4.40
45553300 18-Mar-07 09:21 NL Holdem $4 180 -$4.40

Ummmm now i see you cant play poker, your even playing in small torneys lol 4 doller torneys lol
I can see why you are on this site, your in some desperately need of some help or even a bot to play for your sad ass LOL. I tell you what i would love to see the stats of all the senior members here i recon i would split my gut and sides in laughter big LOLs all round. Well thats me done, done from this sad little website full of newbees wannabees, LOOKs like ive had the last word

Oh and the last laught LOL :) Regards Evil :twisted:thoutz


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 Post subject: Re: Top secret: Online poker is rigged to keep players happy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:33 pm 
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LOL, thread delivers (as they say in another forum).

See kiddo. Let me make a "guess". The above accounts on FullTilt were linked and closed. You are also involved with chargebacks, and other fraudulent activities. Now let me know what you think?

As with regard to losers and winners, it's poker. For each 1 winner you need 10 losers. So many botters are in fact losers. Some are not. Some make a lot.

Have fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Top secret: Online poker is rigged to keep players happy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:53 pm 
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Evilthoutz wrote:
Im done with this site its full of idiots and wannabees, ive already seen Adrian20XX stats on sharkscope lol what a laughing joke check it out lol

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Adrian20XX           125       -$1           $5       14%         -$77   Tilt PokerStars  x
Evilthoutz             6       -$9          $22      -40%         -$56   Tilt PokerStars  x

People don't get it here, -40% ROI is much better than 14% ROI, because the -40% ROI is preparing the scenario for future wins when the site is going to make 80% players win to keep them happy so they get the rake and keep the money machine moving. And I include my self, I don't get it either, only the ilumminated ones can understand this.


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 Post subject: Re: Top secret: Online poker is rigged to keep players happy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:04 pm 
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I have many other accounts that have won loads which i cant disclose for certain reasons.
This was my poker info, i make 40k a year on this if you look at the accounts, i only play a small ammount of games and then close my account.
So there you have it while im here making lots of money playing poker, you fucking spastics
Are here tweaking with you silly little poker bots trying to win a little cash.

I know several people earning the double without the need of opening new accounts. Maybe they just know how to play poker and don't need any rigged account to be able to win money. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Top secret: Online poker is rigged to keep players happy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:06 pm 
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LOL thats not my account ive never played on poker stars so look again and see my list of accounts above ok nice try tho, i can see your getting upset :) and you know whats the funnest thing of all, is this is in the junk section and you senior members spend most of your time in here. You guys really are a sad bunch of little boys arnt you :twisted:

Oh and by the way how does a rigged account make you win money durrr work it out you silly little boy lol.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:24 pm 
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I did look him up with that list of names and the nice thing is that he closed every account with a profit of $1200+ and playing a close to each other ammount of tournaments/sit&go's.

We all know how many times our Aces get cracked by a dork hand like 67s or worse, this is totally against the odds where AA should be around 85% favourite, which means it has to win 85% of the time when you go allin preflop, and that means it should not loose 50% of the time like it does at internet poker, this are facts we all see every day so how can anyone say it's not rigged.

I repeat myself by saying that I played live poker for quiet a while, where you see the flop normally with 6-9 people, in other words almost the whole table see's the flop, and then at showdown they come up with toppair against twopair. At internet poker we see the flop with 2 or 3 people but when there is a showdown it's most of the time much more then a weak twopair. This has nothing to do with seeing number of hands, this is completey going against all odds.

It's impossible to explain why there is such enormous difference in live and online games according showdowns and badbeats, unless it is rigged. This is also the reason why I started selling my bots. I have such little faith in the online pokersites, (example: AP, Ultimate), now Bodog again, Full-Tilt just too obvious, nice to mention: I cashed out more then 20 times on Pokerstars cause I won money, I NEVER cashed out at fulltilt poker, btw I played all kind of limits through the years from NL10 till NL600, and live till NL2000, also I played Limit games from $0,25-0,50 till $3-6 online, and I could never win at fulltilt. And that has nothing to do with the skills of players but only with the enormous ammount of badbeats. Nice to mention also that I got on one day 18 times AA on the cap levels, thats pretty amazing 18 times in one day he, guess what, everytime AA went preflop allin, cap level like i said, and 15 times my AA got busted. Since then I played a lot less on fulltilt, I t hink since that time I have gotten AA and KK a dozen of times and lost them half of the time against JJ, even 3 times in one day I had this experience 3 weeks ago. 3 times AA against JJ, and 3 times a Jack on the flop, now come on, this is just one tiny example of a true badbeat cause we were allin preflop again. Otherwise people could say, yeah you play them bad but I don't think I should fold when I face a big reraise with AA preflop.

Fulltilt hates me and I hate them, I have had quiet some communication with them and well what can you expect, lol. The more you mail them the bigger lists they get with a thousand reasons why it is not rigged and all kind of crap about forgetting the hands where it went good and only remembering the hands where it went bad. Well I don't have to lie to myself about that, they just take you for a complete fool to come up with that kind of bullshit.

Btw, I can't say how it's exactly rigged, so I don't take stupid challenges like the one proposed, if it was that easy I would be rich by now don't you think so and would love to take your challenge. The sites like to keep the money rolling around , and they like to reward new players a lot, when I started playing online poker a few years ago I was winning on every single site where I opened a new account, while I didnt know shit about poker, now after reading lots of books and improving my game enormously I can't win a dime on my existing accounts, yeah i can win a dime but that's really it, a single dime for hours playing isn't it worth for me. The beats make me tilt, like most people get tilted by them and thats also why I created a pokerbot, just to proof that it's impossible to win at online poker. My bot is having the perfect TAG stats for 6-Max games and is raising and 3 betting where it should to protect the hands and slowplaying when it's possible, there is also a very keen bluffing pattern in it and what happens all the time, I get badbeaten so many times that money is floating away.

Oh something different I like to mention, which I read a lot about on the internet also are these situations: I have a good hand like AK or high pair, and we get it allin preflop or on the flop and some one calls with K2o J5s Q3o, while he haven't hit anything yet, not even a draw, but they call, and they hit on turn and river. How the hell can you explain such calls from villians who play ubertight all the time. Shoot me!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:40 am 
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Finally some one with a brain, you should be the senior member not them, i do applause you sir and your 100% right this is why the poker bots will be useless because of the facts he has just said. I play poker At dusk till dawn venue 3 times a week its the bigest poker room in europe i have played againest maria demetriou and the devil fish you all have heard of them if youve played poker ive asked both of them about online poker and they both said they dont play on there any more they used to but stoped they wouldent give any reason, can only guess, i also play at the gala casino in leicester and i rarely see bad beats like the ones i get online and the 4 of a kinds some guys are in a hand with you like Newbee said and hit runner runner and only a spastic would call an all in with nothing on the flop i mean why are they even in the had with fuc all. Why ill tell you why full tile have there own bots mixed in with there Korupt software. I could talk about this all year But Newbees Right in what he says we both have the experiance in all of this, and the fact is you mostly see poker players complaining that online poker is rigged when there losing, but do you ever come across players who say its rigged when there winning, i bet im the only one.
Most players that are winning would gloat about it im so good at poker im a winner bla fucking bla.
But not me i have some plans thats will make me much more that im making now and i would let you guys in on it, but no you guys are way to much up your own ass i tryed. you mugs keep playing with your codes and your bots and youll still be here talking shit in 3 years.
Yo newbee ill email you the details of my project later all the best mate

Evilthoutz :twisted:

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