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 Post subject: strange difference of the range by SNGEGT
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:45 pm 
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I found a strange difference of the range by SNGEGT with and without ANTE

WITH ANTE:
Level: 200/400/50
Structure: 0.50,0.30,0.20
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POS - STACK - BET/ANTE - RANGE
BB-1825-450-100%
SB-4225-50 -100%-Hero
BU-1500-50-93%
CO-1285-50-93%
CO+1-2170-50-93%
CO+2-1240-50-93%
CO+3-855-855-92%-Allin

WITHOUT ANTE:
Level: 200/400/0
Structure: 0.50,0.30,0.20
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POS - STACK - BET/ANTE - RANGE
BB-1825-450-46%
SB-4225-50-91% Hero
BU-1500-50-25%
CO-1285-50-25%
CO+1-2170-50-25%
CO+2-1240-50-25%
CO+3-855-855-26% Allin

HOLDEM RESOURCE COMPARATION (realistic):
Level: 200/400/50
Structure: 0.50,0.30,0.20
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POS - STACK - BET/ANTE - RANGE
BB-1825-450-
SB-4225-50 95%-Hero
BU-1500-50 39%
CO-1285-50-32%
CO+1-2170-50-32%
CO+2-1240-50-25%
CO+3-855-855-31%-Allin


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 Post subject: Re: strange difference of the range by SNGEGT
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:55 pm 
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tobiabus wrote:
SB-4225-50 -100%-Hero


Did you pay the small blind or not?


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 Post subject: Re: strange difference of the range by SNGEGT
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:13 pm 
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sorry, I forgot the SB.
The situation does not change, the ranges with and without ANTE are too different and unrealistic

WITH ANTE:
Level: 200/400/50
Structure: 0.50,0.30,0.20
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POS - STACK - BET/ANTE - RANGE
BB - 1825 - 450 - 100%
SB - 4225 - 250 - 100% - Hero
BU - 1500 - 50 - 93%
CO - 1285 - 50 - 93%
CO+1 - 2170 - 50 - 93%
CO+2 - 1240 - 50 - 93%
CO+3 - 855 - 855 - 92% - Allin

WITHOUT ANTE:
Level: 200/400/0
Structure: 0.50,0.30,0.20
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POS - STACK - BET/ANTE - RANGE
BB - 1825 - 400 - 100%
SB - 4225 - 200 - 40% - Hero
BU - 1500 - 0 - 25%
CO - 1285 - 0 - 25%
CO+1 - 2170 - 0 - 25%
CO+2 - 1240 - 0 - 25%
CO+3 - 855 - 855 - 26% - Allin


HOLDEM RESOURCE COMPARATION (realistic):
Level: 200/400/50
Structure: 0.50,0.30,0.20
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POS - STACK - BET/ANTE - RANGE
BB - 1825 - 450 -
SB - 4225 - 250 - 95% - Hero
BU - 1500 - 50 - 39%
CO - 1285 - 50 - 32%
CO+1 - 2170 - 50 - 32%
CO+2 - 1240 - 50 - 25%
CO+3 - 855 - 855 - 31% - Allin


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 Post subject: Re: strange difference of the range by SNGEGT
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:07 am 
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SNGEGT assumes there is maximum 2 players allin. Therefore you cannot compare the results with HoldemResource calculator as in your case the blinds are very high and there's large effect from overcallers (3rd player allin).

As with different results from Ante and without Ante :
Antes do really make that big difference under SNGEGT assumptions (max 2 players allin).

If CO+3 pushes and any of non-blinds calls he is putting 855 in for a chance to win 2560 pot. on pure chips he needs 33% chance of winning and he gets that easily as next player will call with any two cards anyway as he also requires 33% chance of winning. Now they both have 50% chance of winning and +EV. Using ICM instead of pure chip is different but both still need much less than 50% chance of winnings to get +EV.
You are right this is not very realistic because if CO+3 and CO+2 push with any two then there will certainly be additional callers but SNGEGT doesn't handle that.

Also the example you provided is actually not very good case for ICM. the blinds/antes are very large compared to stack sizes and you should take position into account.


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