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 Post subject: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:07 am 
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Hi All,

I started coding my bot (alone) early September '09. Looking back, it's been 4 months where my progress has been rather slow (granted, I've had a 2 months interruption for personal reasons).
I'd say I have a rather good idea of the amount of work ahead, and I do not doubt I _could_ have a working bot within 6 months. Maintaining a working bot and upscaling is something else...

So here are a few questions for you guys:

- how many members in your botting team?
- average workload in hours/week/member?

I'm sure some people here work on it alone too... some tips?

Thanks for your thoughts and Happy New Year everyone!

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 Post subject: Re: how big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:51 am 
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I'm writing my bot alone. I've already put about 1500 hours into it, with probably another 1500 hours ahead of me until it's profitable on low stakes and also reasonably hard to detect. I have no doubt it can be achieved faster by someone with expert poker knowledge (I've had almost none when I started), or even by someone without the knowledge but with more talent and/or luck.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:18 pm 
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1500h seems like a huge amount... assuming you started a year ago, that's a 30h / week average!

Something a student or unemployed person can do, but this seems much harder if you have a full time job!


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:22 am 
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sob wrote:
1500h seems like a huge amount... assuming you started a year ago, that's a 30h / week average!

Something a student or unemployed person can do, but this seems much harder if you have a full time job!


As I said, most probably it can be done faster, if you start with more advanced knowledge than I did (I knew close to nothing about poker when I started). Also, you could probably save a lot of time with cutting on the quality aspect - I'm writing lots of test cases and generally trying hard to produce reliable code - I don't want random bugs to compromise my account. Good anti-detection is also very time consuming. And, last and not least, I like to tinker with my own ideas in terms of AI, which usually more or less don't work but provide me with some insights. If you take more disciplined approach, it should save time as well. I am unemployed right now so time is just not that big of a factor for me.


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:10 pm 
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Team of one over here in Lab 69 :knight


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:54 pm 
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Team of one over here in Lab 69 :knight

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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
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BlueSilicon wrote:
Demonthus wrote:
Team of one over here in Lab 69 :knight

It takes two to do 69 :xx19


Marilyn Manson can do it by himself ;)


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:21 am 
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Just me, myself and I.
I think most of us are solo efforts and those that are not...well they're not going to say too much about their multi-bot setups in public. ;)

My own bot has taken me more months than i can remember to develop...probably around a year or so in total, of which only the last few months have been spent trying various "brains".

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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:36 am 
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sob wrote:
- how many members in your botting team?
On a framework for botting: Currently 4 members with 2 actually doing code.

On AI: Not yet working on it, but it will probably be a team of 2.
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Just me, myself and I.
Does that mean you are no more interested in our Python Framework ?


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:21 am 
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As for programming, just me :D , though I do have a financial backer...


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:10 am 
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I recommend these roles

  • Main programmer (thats you!). Handles mainly AI and project management.
  • Another programmer. Handles scraping and table hopping and such.
  • A poker guy. You give him results and he tells you what needs to be improved.

Forget about stealth and start with a smaller network.


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:51 pm 
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Thanks everyone for your feedback.

> Osvald

That's exactly what I was thinking in terms of organization. I have a poker guy who's supposed to contribute at a later stage.
But it's really "another programmer" I'm missing :(


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:45 pm 
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Our team consist of 3 ppl, like exactly what 0svald said.

I definitely think that if you want to do it seriously, 3 ppl is not enought.


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:29 pm 
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Nobody i know personally would take poker botting as a serious matter.
I would never associate with someone i don't know personally.


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:39 am 
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Ockham wrote:
Loner.

Nobody i know personally would take poker botting as a serious matter.
I would never associate with someone i don't know personally.


I agree. Sharing bot knowledge is much more risky than sharing bankroll.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:07 am 
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On my own again. Been about 6 months of 60 hour weeks (I'm currently unemployed as you might have guessed) and it's profitable at the lowest of the low end stakes.


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:38 pm 
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Ockham wrote:
Loner.

Nobody i know personally would take poker botting as a serious matter.
I would never associate with someone i don't know personally.


That's my problem too


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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:20 am 
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Here the same, friend, relatives, colleague's wouldn't even think about participating without seeing huge upgoing graphs for huge samples. Well then it's too late, except for getting some id's to bot :)

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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:24 am 
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0svald wrote:
I recommend these roles

  • Main programmer (thats you!). Handles mainly AI and project management.
  • Another programmer. Handles scraping and table hopping and such.
  • A poker guy. You give him results and he tells you what needs to be improved.

Forget about stealth and start with a smaller network.


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Pokerguy is in worse position cause he is totally dependant on the programmers afterwards. Since pokerbotting doesn't always attract the most reliable people I wouldn't do it being the pokerguy. I had some short cooperations with winning players but they backed off thereselves, probably for that reason. I mentioned it ofcourse to them and told him that I wouldn't supply free updates forever but they would be paid updates after a year or so. Not sure if that's bad proposition. When I now think about it, paid updates wouldn't be really needed if there is lot of money to be made.

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 Post subject: Re: How big is your pokerbot team?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:56 pm 
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Milkyway wrote:
Pokerguy is in worse position cause he is totally dependant on the programmers afterwards. Since pokerbotting doesn't always attract the most reliable people I wouldn't do it being the pokerguy. I had some short cooperations with winning players but they backed off thereselves, probably for that reason. I mentioned it ofcourse to them and told him that I wouldn't supply free updates forever but they would be paid updates after a year or so. Not sure if that's bad proposition. When I now think about it, paid updates wouldn't be really needed if there is lot of money to be made.


I think many trust others too little and miss opportunities. By sharing all information and doing things together you build trust. I suggest you dont run the bot yourself, instead all accounts are run within the project where all have a cut.

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